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I draw the line at dating outside my species though!!

Pass judgement that they'll all be just like ones you ran across.

They probably all looked alike too, didn't they?

In response to your question: There is a black lady here who is actively seeking an interracial relationship. Can't blame her. She wants better for herself. Is that your reason also?

Tell me/us, why do so many black males seek non black women? Is it because non black women are more physically attractive, or is it because they are less demanding and aggressive then black women? Is the smaller White butt not more sexually stimulating and less sweaty and therefore less smelly than the larger black womans butt? Personally, I think non White women, (and most specifically black women are the least attractive) women on this planet and that is one reason I could never date outside my race. So is that a reason for you to want to date non black women? Do you find black women unattractive also? I am not being disrespectful, I am just curious as to your reasons for seeking women outside your own race. Of course someone has already chimed in, (premixed like Koolaid) about not dating outside their "species" (ignoring race), but, ignoring that and recognizing race, would you rather have a black woman or a White woman?

Personally....my past dating pattern could be summed up by calling it "the united colors of benetton" lol There are so many wonderful people out there of all races....the right person will come along when you least expect it Wild Good Luck!!

Buck, whatever your name is...Pull your head in!!! And like the cute aussie said, try and not resort to personal insults about a person's race or is that the extent of your vocabulary??

I can think of a much better reason for not dating outside your race....

Jeezus, this is pathetic!! Maybe I should come back again in another 6 months or so.....

If you simply continue to appear on a regular basis, showing the inner and outer beauty you always display, the Buckwheats of the world will have no choice but to chnage their way of thought.

There still remains numerous closet racists that you don't find out about until much later.

The more efforts I made to meet German people, and the more I got to know the Germans, the more they realized all Americans weren't to be looked down upon.

I believe that prejudice and stereotyping can be best disproved through visibility and openness.

Next time I see him, I'll ask him if he knows of you.

Wouldn't that be something? *l*

My race is less than 8% of the worlds population and is disappearing faster than an ice cube on a hot skillet. I am concerned about this as well as all people should be when it comes to extinction of their own. Suppose your entire immediate family were dying off, wouldn't that sadden you? I consider my race my extended family and I want to see it continue on forever.

The title of this thread is "Interracial relationships", a topic that invites opposing view points. If you don't like being opposed then I suggest you don't post on any topic at all as every topic has at least two points of view.

As for my being "racist", I accept that name and call myself such, because "racialist", (which I actually am) sounds too much like a cop out to those who affront me over my racial beliefs. I object to Whites dating non Whites because I see no good in it. What does it accomplish?

... would racism & hate ever come to mind?

Didn't one of the skinheads say that in "American History X?"

... would racism & hate ever come to mind?"

Well sir, we are not blind. If we never had sight than we most likely would not have ventured beyond our places of origin, therefore not meeting peoples of races different from our own. As for "hate", I am not preaching such - I am a proponent of love for ones own kind and indifference to others.

stinkeasereturn is jewish. His people are less than 3% of the U.S. population. And the vast majority of jews live in neighborhoods that are exclusively jewish. They send their children to jewish only schools and the way to break a jewish mothers heart is to tell her her child is marring a 'Goyim', (Yiddish word meaning cattle or anyone who is not jewish). For an example of this look at the State of Israel. It is littered with jewish only settlements. Every time they wipe out a Palestinian village they build another jewish only neighborhood.

Unlike the jewish people, I do not advocate violence against people of other races to acquire a land solely for my people. I think that reason and intellect can accomplish the same means without murdering people who are different, but are not necessarily my enemies.

kaos2007: "Last time I checked Buck there was only ONE race, the human one. So which is YOUR race that you so vehemently speak of and defend? Alien?"

Perhaps you need to check again, kaos2007. My race is the Adamic race/Aryan race/White race. My race is the only one that is capable of breeding and producing children that can have blond or red hair, eyes that are green or blue. My race is the one that has created the strongest countries, most civil governments and progressed math to it's current degree of complexity. My race is the race that built the grandest of architecture, art and music. My race is the race that is currently supporting nearly every other race on the face of this planet. You can argue that we are "all the same" but history and everything modern proves differently, (not to mention true science which does distinguish racial differences).

"We are way far from what we ought to be"

Wild, good luck man! you got all my sympathy.

and his profile says brown eyes....

there must have been a little mandingo-flingo way back when..... ROFL!

(you were clearly wet-nursed by an ole'yard dog)

LMAO

The term Aryan originates with the Indo-Iranian self-designation arya, attested in the ancient texts of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism, the Rigveda and the Gathas of Zoroaster.

Since, in the 19th century, the Indo-Iranians were the most ancient known speakers of "Indo-European" languages, the word Aryan was adopted to refer not only to the Indo-Iranian people, but also to Indo-European speakers as a whole, including the Armenians, Romans, Greeks, the Germans, Balts, Celts and Slavs. It was argued that all of these languages originated from a common root now known as Proto-Indo-European spoken by an ancient people who must have been the original ancestors of the European, Iranian, and Indo-Aryan peoples. The ethnic group composed of the Proto-Indo Europeans and their modern descendants was termed the Aryans.

You're supporting me? Odd, you must be sending your checks to the wrong address, haven't seen one yet, but email me privately and I'll correct that.

As for the rest of your blurb, all I read was blah blah blah blah I'maracistandproudofit blah blah blah

You're right on one thing though, we truly are ALL not the same... as YOU thank god. I think there's a spot waitin for ya on Jerry Springer.

Kaos2007, being as you are Canadian, (and I know the dire straits the Canadian educational system is in) I will forgive you your apparent inability to comprehend what you read. Your profile says you are Caucasian, meaning, (I assume) you consider yourself of the White race. Re: Your own quote of what I said: **Buck says: My race is the race that is currently supporting nearly every other race on the face of this planet.** So, if you are indeed Caucasian, I wouldn't be referring to you, would I?

I have gotten many insults in regards to myself, but not one person has even attempted to dispute/disprove any of what I have said concerning interracial dating. It is not at all ironic to me that liberals who preach tolerance are intolerant of those who disagree with them. I am not trying to force my beliefs on anyone. I am simply stating them. If you object to them that is fine. Being a racist/racialist I am immediately perceived as someone who hates. Hatred often comes from ignorance and fear. I am not ignorant, (I have educated myself well on the races) nor am I afraid, (as I have nothing to fear). However, those who have posted above me have posted as uneducated people, (in regards to race) and I believe they fear anyone or anything that goes against their politically correct teachings. I would suggest they pick up a book or speak civilly to those they don't understand and possibly they might experience an awakening.

in Mingles, there's no point in attempting to dispute/disprove when you clearly do it so well with your closed-minded ignorant words.

Mandingo Bingo anyone?

(but it will never turn your brown eyes blue....)

Many people feel that racism, hate, and the Southern 'crackers' are a thing of the past.

Buckwheat's words just go to show that all of that ignorance is still around.

and his profile says brown eyes.."

I really wanted to ignore your comments Crisco. But you keep coming back like a bad, spoiled, small child starving for attention, screaming, "Look at me! Look at me," until you end up getting spanked and sent to your room. So here's a swat or two for you:

You claim in your profile that you have a college education. If so, how could you miss what was written in the above quote? It says, "CAPABLE of breeding and producing...eyes that are green or blue." Which means eyes of other colors also. Had I placed in my profile that I have hazel eyes would you be attacking that as a Mandingo infliction also? I have lived in the central Missouri area and I have to say that you are a rarity for a college educated Missourian. The average Missourian, (with or w/o a college degree) is capable of putting across their opinions in a literate and articulate manner.

Everyone I know who is around your age, (50, according to your profile) agrees with me on interracial dating, except for those who have children who have laid down with non Whites, or spouses who have in the past dated or lain with non Whites. Is that your problem Crisco? Were you such a piss poor daddy that your daughter brought you home a little Kunta Kentae? Or were you such a poor husband that your wife ran off with the garbage man? Now, go pop the top on another can of Natural Lite and come on back with another childish insult - It will make you look like a real smart man, just as your others have.

Let me get back on topic and reiterate my questions:

1.) Why would anyone want to date people of other races?

2.) Why do so many non White males want to date White females?

3.) What is so bad about a persons own race that they would want to date outside of it?

4.) Why aren't people, (White or otherwise) more interested in the preservation of their own races as our ancestors were?

5.) How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

The fundamental reason people discriminate against others because of race, religion, etc. relates to their level of self esteem. People with low self esteem routinely disparage people in other groups in order to distance themselves and gain standing simply by not being part of the disparaged group. Whether it is a small group, like a gang or a country club, or a large group, these people tell themselves that everyone outside of their group is in some way inferior, thus giving them a measure of artificial self-esteem. It makes them feel special or unique just by belonging to the good group or by not being part of the bad group.

For the same reason, people who constantly criticize others are trying to artificially boost their standing by comparison so they can feel better in some way or another. By constantly pointing out the faults of others and ignoring their own, they rise by default in their own minds.

People with high self-esteem who are secure in their values and their own self worth, feel no need to disparage others in order to validate themselves. Although they may be judgmental when it comes to moral or religious values, they tend to judge people on their behavior or their character, not by the color of their skin or what they look like or what country they are from.

How many of them ran off and married black men (instead of their cousins)?

(There's gotta be some logic behind Buckwheat's illogical twisted thinking, lol.)

"Regardless of thier color, sucking M & Ms, long enough, will reveal that all have chocolate in the center!"

Many years ago a person died for refusing a blood transfusion based solely on the fact that the hospital could not tell him if the blood was from a "white" person. Pretty damn sick!

It depends if said woodchuck was dating outside it's race. If it WAS, it would probably be able to chuck more wood, due to the rage it felt at ignorant schmucks telling him he had no right to date outside of his race. It's just a theory, but I have a hunch it is correct. The wood would probably be chucked more accurately as well, as his focus would be concentrated. Also, if the woodchuck were any color other than white, it would be more protected from the sun and be able to work longer hours in the summertime, hence more valuable than the white woodchuck.

Now now buckaroo'naz-eye don't sweat the brown-eye thing TOO much, ROFL

(it's me with blonde hair/blue eyes/last name of Karl/Hultz)

After all, you DID say that you're knowledge came from a book.

Was it Himmler Zeuss' classic "One fish, Two Fish; White Fish, White Fish?"

ROFL - yet another fake profile from one of those singular few who suffer from too much time!

Tell ya what there buck'a'boo'cim'ole'chicken-neck'fire'lake'perro boy....

You're a "dip-shidt" (let me explain what that term really is)

It's the guy who takes a long pole into the out-house and sticks it down the hole and stirs it around - pulls out the stick and says, "yup, it's shidt alright"

But, in your case, you lick the stick first to make double-sure.

Now then - go work another one of your OTHER fake profiles before you REALLY crack me up laughing and I start making you whine like a virgin on prom-night

"Although they may be judgmental when it comes to moral or religious values, they tend to judge people on their behavior or their character, not by the color of their skin or what they look like or what country they are from."

Although this statement is incomplete, I do agree with its essence. To judge a person solely on the color of their skin or their place of origin is wrong. And it makes me wonder what the reaction would be here if I were a non White person who refused to date outside my race. Would I then be called a racist and insulted or would I be accepted as part of the group because I would be a "racially conscience" person of color? Just a rhetorical question, I don't expect an answer.

I have nothing further to say to Crisco.Any 50 year old man who is into proms and high school virgins is not someone I want to associate with.

stinkeasereturn: "Hey Buck.****. I know a guy who's mother is Irish and who's father is full Mexican, and they have kids with red hair and their whiter than your fat ass. Idiot."

Since the mother is Irish and the father being Mexican, (apparently you mean Latino/Hispanic, not White, a.k.a. mestizos)I am guessing that, by your statement, that you aren't aware that mestizos have Spaniard (White) blood in their ancestry. So, red hair is a possibility because of the dominant White genes. Also, a recessive gene can garner the same results. As for these children being Whiter than I, the "fathers" actual parentage of them should be in question and he might want to get a DNA test to find out for sure. Occasionally you will find a black person with lighter colored hair, (off blond, off red or off brown) who has two negroid parents. This is most often due to one or both parents having White ancestral genes.

By the same token, there are genetic diseases exclusive to ones race. For instance blacks suffer sickle cell anemia and jews suffer Tay-Sachs disease. These diseases are pretty much exclusive to the individual race. However someone of apparently another race with mixed ancestral genes does have a chance of suffering a genetic recession, thereby producing in them the same disease as their 'hidden' ancestor carried.

The only question I knew I would get an answer to of the 5 I posted was the last one. So thanks CaptainCorelli, for showing that you have the mentality of a chipmunk.

You're welcome, Buckaroo. I also have the skin of a white woodchuck, so I guess I'm in your dating pool, eh? You didn't say anything about gender.

PS...I thought of all the questions, you put the most thought into the last one. Alex Trebek is your father, isn't he?

If you believe in God you would know that we are all His creation.

On a personal note, I have joined a lot of dating sites, and I have noticed that a lot of men don't want to date Black women, but they choose every option that's provided for a potential mate. This makes me want to ask them "What's wrong with Black women, that we somehow are not as desirable as compared to other races?

These are just my thoughts, I'm not trying to make waves here....

Hahahaha.. now thats priceless... before you start pitting your country against mine, do your research o-racist-one. The Canadian education system is far from in dire straits and considering the strife your country is in, you best let this one go.

You are simply.. ignorant, uneducated, and cowardly. I can certainly see why racism is alive and kicking in the USA. Rather than hate you, I feel sorry for you, as racism is not something youre born with, its inherent, which is sad that there are parents out there filling their child's minds with this nonsense bullshit as your parents must have done to you.

You live in a cold frame of mind and if you ever pull your head out of your ass long enough to see the destruction racism causes, you could choose to become a solution to the problem rather than an avid enabler.

Quite frankly, you disgust me and I am very fortunate in this lifetime to never have had to come face to face with someone such as yourself with so much hate and ignorance, it surely wouldnt be a pleasant exchange.

Take a good look at these ladies. No matter where they live, no matter their socio-econmic backgrounds, or the color of their skin: they are bright, lively, spirited, and have more going for them then you simply because they don't live in the mental cage you have created for yourself.

Hoarse said it very well up there. Now everyone knows what your standards are.

That would be an awesome 'date outside of my race'.

Whattta you think, Buckwheat? LOL.

one love, one race, hopefully one day, inter-planetary dating.

Does that mean that I still have a chance?

I think I have enough witnesses from both of the AC parties (we missed you at the 2nd one) to attest that I enjoy everyone. And that's the key for me.

If we plan an "AC III" will you let Manny drag you down? Might be your last chance to see my footwork.....LOL!

as far buck go's, he is that way cause of serios mental issues having to do with the fact his mom and dad are really brother and sister. and he better never say nutin about my EXTASI!!!!! that is my baby girl

He's currently awaiting pshycological evaluation for constantly singing the song "Don't it make your brown eyes blue" during the correctional facility in-take procedure.

Anyway...I just jumped into this thread to say, "OMG!! Kaos!! Hiya sweetie and welcome to Mingles!! {{{hugs}}}

Holy Moly! lol

I will say this though... My Daughter is of mixed race and she is the most beautiful little girl (in my opinion) in the world... She has the beauty and knowledge of so many different cultures to see her through life!

And like DC (hi, by the way) I don't choose a partner on the colour of their skin, or the ignorance they dribble... but on what's in their heart, their personality and generally who they are as people....

You have my pity buck, You'll need it one day!!

You know, you made YOUR OWN PERSONAL DECISION to breed outside your own race. That was your choice. It is MY CHOICE not to breed out of my own race. I enjoy my races women and I enjoy my own racial culture. I don't have a need for diversity. And no Extasi, you have my pity.

"She has the beauty and knowledge of so many different cultures to see her through life!" Lets see now. When I think of the "different cultures" of the world I can't help but think of what each has contributed. And of all of them, blacks have contributed the least. For instance, black Africans, (who some say have been around longer than any other race by thousands of years), have never been able to create a written language of their own, nor were they even able to invent something as simple as the wheel. Still today, (in areas that were not improved upon by Whites) black do not farm, live in houses made of dung, have slaves, (many) are still cannibals and the list goes on. But let's ignore black Africa, (I am sure you will anyway). Let's consider their contributions to civilized society: In the United States of America blacks are the least employed, (or employable, in spite of set asides - most suitable for menial jobs), have the highest rate of children born out of wedlock, (were you/are you married to your childs father?) commit more murders and other crimes of violence then does any other race, has more cases of AIDS than other ethnic groups, have the highest rate of drug usage, (per race), and the list goes on. Now, let's look at the contributions blacks have made to the U.S. of A.: I am racking my brain and I can't think of any. Maybe you can fill in this space.

Wildmonkeyboy posted here looking for women not of his race for dating/whatever. I posted my feelings against interracial relationships and was immediately set upon by the pack, several of whom are women. I find it ironic, (hypocritical) that Wildmonkeyboy still doesn't have one friend listed in his profile. Why aren't all of you liberal women who are accosting me for not being like you say you are, on his friends list? Why hasn't he found a date with one of you?

Devious_Cherub, posts out of curiosity as to why men, (including black men, I assume) don't want to date black women. She's immediately insulted by tck with his typical brain-in-his-penis post about what he would do to her. I suspect the lady, (like most here) isn't just looking for a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am from a moron. I am sure she is capable of getting that, if that were all she was interested in, without having to travel for it.

Ofcourse the self-proclaimed, resident "redneck", Hunter_Rep, pipes in with: "i seen how wild ya'll are in bed, my back cant handle that. but i still luv ya babe." Another sexual innuendo from yet another moron. The only way he could possibly know how all black women are in bed is to bed all black women. He has made a negative(?) stereotypical insult against a woman based on her race. Naturally this is ignored by his White liberal friends because he is one of the group. However, I am sure that Devious, (like myself) didn't miss it. Maybe he made that comment because, as he said, "she cant believe how small it is either" possibly comparing himself to black men who he has heard, (and falsely believes) have larger penises and is afraid of being compared by a black woman who might notice the difference. He then goes on to comment that I "better never say nutin about my EXTASI!!!!!" I laughed pretty good over that one. I pictured him waddling his fat ass out to his truck to drive several hundred miles for an ass whipping, (or possibly just a heart attack once he tried dragging all of that lard up a flight of stairs to my abode).

Devious has two friends from this board: Rollo and Manhattan Babe, (according to her profile). Seems to me that an articulate black lady like herself would be deluged with men of all races wanting to be her "friends".

My conclusion from what has been written in this thread is that the majority of you White liberals are in denial of your own racist beliefs and thoughts and so try to mask that with open hate toward me. You accuse me of being the hater, yet I have shown the least amount of hate here. At least I am strong enough to acknowledge and voice my racial beliefs. I don't hide behind hate toward anothers beliefs to make everyone else think that I am just as phony as they are. After having read the many posts here I am inclined to agree with the racist Reverend Al Sharpton (paraphrasing): "White racism is alive and well in America!" And it shows strongly in those who try the hardest to deny it. I see it now from the same view as the black man/woman who screams it all the time.

Here is the difference between my form of racism and you who hide yours: Mine is based on honest facts and not hatred. I have come to terms with the reasons for my form of racism; your racism is based on a feeling that frightens you, (because, "it's not right to not want to associate with people because they are different". I call that the "idiot logic", because if it were true then you would willingly associate with child molesters and mass murderers - who I hope, are also "different" from you). You have not come to terms with your racism because you fail to investigate why you feel a need to self-segregate from other races. I bet the vast majority of you live in lily White neighborhoods. I don't, (I no longer live in small town Missouri). Most of my life I have dealt face to face with other races and my beliefs are grounded in observation as well as an education on this difference in races. Go live in a non-White hood for one weekend. Bet none of would even consider it. Why? Because you know that non-Whites hate you and would rip your hearts out if you lived among them. You would be just as safe in a lions den.

Ok, I...semi read through the posts on here, and I know I've posted in one of these before regarding my views (Coulda been this one, I haven't read every post in here, lol)- and of course, with what I say I may step on some toes- and I apologize if I do, if anything, I'm a realist in the extreme, and any comments I make are from my own experience and nobody elses- with that said...

I've 'dated/married' outside of my own culture- and for me, it just didn't work- and for the very reasons my mom told me it would be difficult- now, this is just for me-this is how it happened for me-I married someone outside of my culture, and discovered that the 'differences' that would make dating someone outside of my culture interesting and diverse, were the very reasons that it made the marriage difficult in the extreme- this isn't based on racism, it's based on fact- I'm not racist, what I DON'T like, are jerks in any culture, white included- I have a hard time dealing with the tough-as-nails-barfly-white-trash women type, as I would with the 'gangsta' type who wear the eyeliner around their lips, their eyes, have tattoos all over the place, and want to fight anyone they come in contact with just simply because they like to fight- I discovered some time ago, that I wanted to stay within my own culture as far as a relationship or marriage went- the reason for that simply being that someone who was raised like me, and had the same values/goals as I do had a better chance of working, because that person could understand me- and I could understand him- we wouldn't have an argument about how to raise kids, what religion they should be, what the 'woman's role in the home' should be, or anything else- I wouldn't have to worry about his family not accepting me because I was 'white' and they weren't, or because I was a 'gavacha who couldn't speak spanish' or anything else-

As far as 'racism' goes, it's a funny thing: whites are accused of being racist, but the truth of it is, those in other cultures have just as many racists against whites- only difference is, if you're white and racist, omg, that is totally unacceptable, not politically correct- anybody remember that movie, 'Waiting To Exhale'? I watched it recently, and have to admit that I was somewhat surprised at how racist the women were in the movie against white women, but that hardly caused a stir- had it been the other way around, I'm sure it would have hit the fan-

Seems like somewhat of a double standard, to me-

People are people are people- nothing makes one 'better' than the other- I just know that in a marriage, I want familiarity, I want someone who has traits/mannerisms/traditions/etc. that I can identify with- I'm not one to enjoy 'differences'- and that's really all it is-

Buck'weet is still in county lock-up in Jefferson city.

(the NAACP was going to try and arrange his bail but they don't support thieves who dress-up as gay black drag-queens)

It's a shame he's wasted his 30 minute internet time at the jail library posting here when he could have been looking at gay porn (prison training tapes as it were....)

Hey, there's nothing like a corporate takeover to make you want to spend your time at work wisely, lol.

Sure, black people may not have ever invented a form of written language... and yet we still managed to effectively communicate through other various forms including art!

The wheel before you came to be our saviour, probably wasn't a necessity.... we managed without it... imagine that!!!

Did not build or live in houses made of dung.... I beg to differ on that one, in fact we still have stone house remains standing on Lake Condah mission here in Australia... they were built before Australia was invaded!

I was married when I had MY BEAUTIFUL INTELLIGENT TALENTED MULTI-CULTURAL DAUGHTER!!!!

I love being a rebel and breaking the stereotypes!!!!

Being rude and resulting to name calling and insults on a person's physical appearance again, is not the same as not meshing with someone after attempting!

Say it isn't so! *l*

First off Thanks everyone for your comments and thoughts.

Second, Buck I do feel sorry for you. You actually have to do a personal attack on someone just to make your "little" ego feel better.

Thirdly, I'm not going to justify why I'm looking to date outside my skin color, at less not to you. (Race would happen to be HUMAN RACE} Unlike you Buck that occasionally partake in farm animals.

Fourthly, Black people did a lot more then you every expected. It's mostly people like you that get history wrong and teach kids the wrong history. With out the black man that came up with the filament in light bulbs, you would still be using candles and lamps. If it wasn't for the black Dr. that came up with blood transfusion half the people in the world would be dead. So I suggest you rethink those statements.

OMG Fifthly, Dam you are BLACK!! So Nigger Please!! Proof, in your own DNA. If you go by the bible, and sure as it is a GOD. He made Adam White and Eve the Darkest Black Woman you every meet. From her DNA out of AFRICA, everyone Asian, Black, Jewish, Indian, White, and all the shade between. Has that same Trace DNA that came from her.. Like one man said, "Nothing like hate and the strongest hate is family." And Dam it all you are so BLACK it hurts....

What I'm lying??? Uh!! look it up on the History Channel one day..

"I did," I reply, "and I'm as good as your wife says I am!"

Now, now, internet tough guy. No one really beliefs that you went out looking for fights with racist in Portland, Oregon. (For everyones information, Portland has a lot of Skin heads, Nazi Low Riders, - part of the AB- and a couple of other racist White groups. The odds of ol' Chubs here beating them up at will is somewhere between slim and none).And why aren't you looking for any in Klamath Falls? Seems to me with a population of nearly 21,000 people ol' Klamath should have a few racist Whites you can beat up on. If not in the city, the county has nearly 64,000 souls, surely a lot of them are racist. Come on now, Klamath Falls is 92.2% White and only 1.6% black, (wonder why you picked it to live in - you know with your love of diversity and all). What really ticked you off Superman, (haha) is I pulled your racist hole card when I pointed out your obvious racist comment to Devious. You are no better than I am, fat boy. You just wont admit that a little part of me exists in you. It is sad that a person can lie to themselves and almost convince themselves that that lie is the truth. Keep trying though, killer. You'll either succeed or you'll go crazy trying to deny what you really are.

In response to Crisco, I found this video of him on Youtube on a date. Happy trails Crisco!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=O07u7KdRVo0&feature=related

CaptainCorelli ask, "Buck, do you have anyone in your crawlspace by any chance?"

Not any more, I moved.

Now, with the comedy out of the way, I'll get back to business in my next post.

I have to say in "MY OPINION" and I have dated a few black women in my life. (for those who want to know...) It comes down to your mothers, and grand mothers. I'm not bad mouthing them, actually GOD bless them. "My INSIGHT" Black women in American from the time of slavery, has carried their families. They had to be strong and protective. Sometime that even meant from their husbands. Most of the time the husbands have been sold off, ran away or killed. So the Black woman had to be the Matriarch of the family. They taught their daughters to be strong and so on. Well coming here to the present, its still carried on. And those traits are good but also bad. "Make sure your got that man under control, honey. Because if you don't he'll do you wrong." Or "That fool don't know what he's doing. You got to make sure he knows who's the boss." There so many other saying...it all comes down to make sure that the black man is under your control and its your job to keep him on the straight and narrow. Yeah that might sound funny to most and to others that sound cruel. But it is so true, and it seem that if you can't control him then he's no good for you.

Yeah that made the black woman stronger but it demoralize the black man in a way. So in my life I seen that, really didn't care for that. You wonder why some men cheat on their wives and girlfriends. Why do they date outside of their own skin color, aw to see what is out there, maybe white girls don't do that same, Spanish girls, Asian girls (I have to admit some Asian Cultures, the women are like black women...) But thats what I observed and notice.

As for myself I don't like that trait, and also my first girlfriend was actually White. So it's more of the case of dating experience when you were younger that impacted who you are likely to date.

One more thing, for the record, I'm not 100% Black, I'm Mixed. That also why most black women and girls that I dated through my life never got. They just couldn't understand why I act the way I act or do the things I do. Not your "Normal Black guy" because I'm not. Sorry I embraced both culture but see the good and bad in each and pick from both to make up my personalty, my traits.

Hopefully that will answer your question to some point from MY perspective.

As I posted earlier ole'brown-eye BUCK'weet - your brown eyes only show that you were weened be a yard dog.

I bet even WildMonkeyBoy's father (no offense) would have probably been your father if that dog hadn't beat him across the street

It's time to move on to another of your weaker profiles

Holy Moley lol

As for my insults to you, I will apologize. Maybe I went to far. But you got to have thicker skin if you want to survive in this world. I've been attacked ever since I came on this board and it doesn't really bother me. I most times ignore it and laugh at it because, hey, this aint nothing but a message board. People don't know me or vise versa by anything other than what we post. My message is clear and inarguable so....

UglyPoet made some good points about Egypt. And I know that he thinks the ancient Egyptians were black, but the truth is, the jury is still out on that one. It has not yet been concluded to be so. And even if they were that is not indicative of todays blacks. Also, just because the oldest bones of human kind found were in Egypt, that does not make Egypt the cradle of civilization.

Wild, while I appreciate your attempt to show some of the great advancements blacks have made to civilization, I have to disagree with you. The great black inventors that is being taught in schools and throughout society is a myth. You can get the low down on black inventions by doing a search for BLACK INVENTION MYTHS, or just copy and paste this url: http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/

mostie_again, thanks for posting your experiences. You had, as a result of choices you made, an awakening, an epiphany. And I am very glad that people aren't attacking you for admitting that you now see things in a different light then they do. Some times it takes being slapped in the face with reality to see reality. I really hope you the best in all that you do and that your future is a bright and happy one.

Buck, your ignorance is showing....

How are ya chicca?

Buck, you don't know much on black history and going to web sites that someone made.. anyone can say its a myth.. its their views... you need to dig a bit deeper..

Thanks for everyone comments.. My last posting on this subject..

African Americans have made a lot of contributions to this country, from George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King, Fannie Lou Hamer, to the inventor of the traffic light, and countless others. We have come a long way from slavery, and are continuing to prosper in the best way that we can among society.

I'm tired of the stereotypes that we still endure from those same slavery eras...Black Women are loud, uneducated, good in bed, lazy, and the list goes on and on...people observe the actions of the younger generation and just lump us all together as if we all act like that 24-7. We even demoralized by our own men, rap artists who call us "hoes and bitches" in their lyrics....it's a continuous, and damaging cycle. Young women feel like they have act out those words to get ahead in their lives, and that's very sad to see out here in society.

Like I said earlier, I choose to date outside of my race because I don't judge people based on their behaviors, color, skin, creed, whatever have you. I'm open-minded, I see people for who they really are, and I'm always interested in learning about different cultures. My mother raised me to be respectful of people, and not be judgmental, without knowing anything about them. Yes, inter-racial dating doesn't work out for everyone, I have experienced that myself, but I'm not going to shut out a potential partner based on bad experiences. The past is the past, and I stay within the present!

I don't mean to get long winded, the ugliness of some people just really gets under my skin and I usually keep my thoughts about this to myself or to a few close friends....but if I'm on a dating site where men check every option for a mate, including: Asian, Caucasian, Latina, Pacific Islander, and "Other", and leave African-American women out, that really bothers me. If you don't believe me, check out Match.com and look at some of the guy's profiles.

That's all...if I somehow offended anyone, I'll apologize. At the same time, you just become tired of nonsense. Perhaps I'm not thick-skinned as Buck suggested, but I can't pretend that these issues just don't exist.

People who know you here don't give a rat's ass about what color you are or what race.

I'm willing to bet the same is true in your real life too.

As far as people who don't know you, and what they think.... well that's beyond your control. You can only impress those you meet, everyone else will simply be left to wonder.

As for me i think your very sexy devious and after reading what you have written i wish i was closer to you so i could have dinner with you. You sound very fun and intelegent and that always makes for good conversation. I personally would date a woman like Devious and color has nothing to do with it.

Dev, this is Mangles! Always expect the unexpected!

Uglypoet, thank you for your compliment, it's great to know that there are guys out there like you, who are open-minded. You brought up a lot of important points in your posts, and you know what you're talking about.

Star..don't I know it!! lol

DC and Ext are women of color?

OMG - never noticed

(who woulda' thunk it)

The only "race" I feel a need to segregate myself from is yours Fvckwheat, clearly it's non-human.

Racism: Prejudice or discrimination based on an individual's race; can be expressed individually or through institutional policies or practices

Race: The term race describes an ethnic group, tribe, or other set of individuals descended from a common ancestor.

now that the lesson is over based off those two in reality there is only one race, according to histroical evidence we all sprang for those who beleive in god, adam and eve, for those who believe in evolution, cave men. Either way racism is a way to segragrate individuals based off where they were born, color or speech is just another way to segragrate them. So here you are saying i was right about egypt, well then you have to admit that no matter their color, their race is egyptian. So who cares their skin color they are not anglo american, or white or caucasian as is used today. Also it would be very safe to say that egyptians back then were the same color they are now, and if you must define that color it would be NON-White. WHy is this, well the human body does miracles on its own.

It uses pigments in the skin to change the color of the skin, to protect it from oh yah SUN BURNS that whites get very easily. So in reality the scientists might be tring to prove their skin color, when all you have to do is use common sence to relize that that desert has not changed much tempature wise in a few thousand years so it would be safe to say, since it is known that not many trees exist there that their skin tone was not white.

But back on topic now, egyptian is a race, islamic is a race, roman is a race, african is a race, mexican is a race, spanish is a race. In reality there really is no white race, and you can not say American is a race, because america was founded by Europeans which were of all national backgrounds. However the English (Brits) historically might be concidered the white race if you must break it down like that. But then there are scotish, irish, danish,swedish and so on that are of that same race. However they refer to themselfs as to their country of origin. Also how do you explain a mixed race child that comes out white? if you had not known their were mixed you would not shun them with your racist spewing.

No infact you would assume they are white, and pat them on the back. So if you really pay attention to yourself you will relize that your inability to really define a good reason for racism, that you should just drop it. For when you break it down, without seeing their skin color you would never know the diffrence so your racism is all based around what you visually see. Oh and here is a history lesson for you and that rebel flag behind you.

The stars and bars, was not flown because of slavery, go grab a bunch of history books and read some. The stars and bars was flown for states rights. Slavery was just a add on during the war, and part of the states rights fight. I do not agree with slavery but historically that flag stood for independent states within the union to be aloud to make their own choices within the laws of the goverment. So before you try to claim arian race and all that please learn your history first and formost. BTW if you believe in the bible some beleive that whites were slaves of egyptians. (unknown but some do believe)

Just shows to go ya. *l*

"You're welcome, Snugems!!!! ooo Bwwwaaahhahahhahahaa!" Notice the "Bwwwaaahhahahhahahaa" - that's laughter. As in, I knew who Extasi was talking to.

UglyPoet. Nice long post, but inaccurate. Egyptians, Romans, Americans, etcetera, are not races unto themselves. All of those words describe what is now referred to as "nationality", being that, in todays vernacular "nation" means a group of people, (regardless of race(s)) inhabiting a mass of land. However, it's original meaning, (coming from Latin) was "race".

Race is not based strictly on skin color. And the tired and boring "there is only one race" holds no basis in fact and is repeated ad nauseum by those who have not taken the time to find out for themselves if there is/is not more than one race. And to say that there is "only one race" is akin to saying that all animals are the same regardless of species. But, we know that the Zebra and the goat are not the same, biologically or otherwise. This is also true in the human races. Race is not based solely on skin color and anyone who thinks it is is an utter fool.

Using animals again as an analogy, the coyote and the wolf are closely related in appearance and share many traits that are the same. They are both carnivores as well as predators. However, (without human interference) they do not cohabitate. And this is not unique in the animal kingdom. Even sparrows do not live with pigeons. Nor buffalo with cattle. They may all look similar and possess some of the same traits but they are not the same and instinct tells them so. In order for a species to perpetuate its continuance it must not interbred, for to do so guarantees its doom as an unique species or race.

Within the races there exist "sub-races", meaning people who are of the same race but have differences that define them. For instance, in the White or Aryan,(as the word is defined today) there are different degrees of physical "whiteness". The extremes of this are the Meridians and the Nordics. The Meidians being of darker features, (such as hair, eyes and a darker skin tone/higher melanin content), while the Nordics are of lighter features, (blond/red hair, blue/green eyes and light skin). If memory serves me, there are 5 "sub-races" within the White/Aryan race. However, all 5 are of the same base race. There are many determining factors in what makes up a race of people. These include, (but are not limited to) physiological, sociological, mental factors, as well as place of origin. I could continue until my fingers bleed from typing so much, but I think you should, by now, have the idea that I am not one who bases race on skin color and that I have taken the time to educate myself on this topic.

Race is not a "social constrict" as our handlers would like us to believe, but is an actual fact.

"now that the lesson is over based off those two in reality there is only one race, according to histroical evidence we all sprang for those who beleive in god, adam and eve, for those who believe in evolution, cave men."

More errors on your part, my friend. Although I hate to bring religion into this debate because it can easily change the whole direction of it. But I feel I must in order to challenge your assertions. The Bible does not teach that we all sprang from Adam and Eve. One of the first bits of evidence in this regard is when Cain slew Abel and God sent him off to the land of Nod where he took a wife. The Bible does say that God made man, (Adam) and he made woman, (Eve). There is no prior mention of the "land of Nod" in the Bible, leading us to know that this land was away from Adam and Eve and inhabited by people who were not from the loins of Adam and Eve. So, theologically, you are incorrect.

As per evolution, man theoretically came from the ocean. And it does not give any evidence that one man and one woman were the beginning of all races. The Bible actually does give evidence of different races. Again, I do not want this to turn into a Biblical debate. I think we should stick to the sciences in regards to this as science is based on fact and not personal beliefs or something none of us can show as evidence of what we claim.

"Also how do you explain a mixed race child that comes out white? if you had not known their were mixed you would not shun them with your racist spewing."

A mixed race person has physical appearances other than skin color that make them obviously mixed. I have met many White people who claim to be 1/4, 1/8 or 1/2 AmerIndian. Most claim to be from the Cherokee tribe. When I inform them that the AmerIndian are most probably of Asiatic ancestry, (according to scientific, genealogical evidence), they become offended. The truth is people prefer fantasy to reality and the reality is that there is more than one race and all races are not equal on all levels and we are not the same, one race to another.

Your last paragraph, concerning the Confederate battle flag, does not enlighten me at all. I know the reason for the war between the states. And I also know that there were blacks who fought under that flag right along with the 13 Confederate and 1 Union soldiers who were my ancestors who died in that war. Also that war was never called a "Civil War" and it boils my blood every time I hear some misinformed dullard regurgitate those two words.

http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa120298.htm

You can also try the CIA Factsheet. Lord knows they would not fabricate anything. *l*

oh and if Dev thought what i said to her was a racist comment, she woulda said somthing to me, but she didnt you dumbass

oh and one more thing for you bone head, yer stats for k-falls are way off, we have alot of mexicans here as well moron. then again you have never gotten any facts right. goes to show just how ignorant racist's are. pull yer head out of yer ass moron.

The Chinese (thems be the "yeelow ones", Reb) civilization is well over 2000 years old and going very strong still. The Chinese are the ones who gave the world gun powder among other things. And the Chinese are on the brink of eclipsing America as the preeminent economic power in the world.

And let's not forget the Persian civilization.. (theems be non whites too thar Reb and we calls them Iranians or as you might say "E ronny ahnz). Their civilization started over 10,000 years ago and they're still here and their language (Farsi) has been in continuous use for the last 2500 years..

How many times has the English language mutated from Latin and German?

Hell, when the Huns were still running around in animal skins the Chinese were wearing fine silk clothing, studying Confucious and the Japanese were taking writing and sex to an art form (along with sword making).

The Anglo Saxon whites have only just started learning how to take baths on a regular basis about two hundred years ago and advances in science and art made by so called "white anglo saxons" have been rather recent (like the last 4 to 6 hundred years) compared to the rest of the pivotal contributions made by other civilizations through- out world history.

If it wasn't for the Crusades and the Crusader's introduction to the Muslim culture, who knows how long it would have been before the Europeans would have advanced the quality of thier textiles, their knowledge of math and even certain aspects of art and architecture.

Based upon history, being born a specific race or skin color, esp. white, doesn't make a human being more advanced than any other race or skin color.

If anything, we've done more to damage other cultures that we've "visited" (in history) with the introduction of disease, religion (I know that is subject to debate) vermin, animals and plants (that have destroyed natural habitats) than any other race.

"there aint no racist gangs here," you dribble, "cause they know what us good ole boys will do to em."

No racist gangs in k-Falls, huh? How about the MS-13, (mestizos)? Seems your state is full of them and others from south of the border, (

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060929/news_1n29oregon.html ), but it just pisses you off to no end that some White folks prefer being with other White folks.

"why dont ya try asking the washington countty gang task enforcemtn if what i am saying is bullshit, more then once i got hauled in because some piece of crap from the arian nation with the dorky blue sashes got the shit kicked out of them."

You make me laugh so hard I wonder why you don't have a job doing stand up. Seriously, man. All you got to do is get in front of a crowd and make shit up. If you're telling the truth then post a link to a news article concerning it. There is nothing more that the media likes doing than publishing articles about White racist getting whipped up on.

Know how I know you are lying? Portland has had very few members of the Aryan Nations in its midst in the past and present and they are/were not public. In other words, the blue sashes, (which was not something AN wears - they wore blue shirts), were not something you saw in Portland. In short, the AN has NEVER had a chapter in Portland. EVER. I think you must have seen the traitorous, (ex AN) Floyd Cockran on television news when he toured Oregon a few years ago and the name Aryan Nations just kind of stuck with you after that. And from that you developed a fantasy of beating them up. Like I said, you keep me in stitches.

And as for your invite to a fist fight, I'll decline. I don't need to go 1500 miles to go to jail. Especially when you are a proven liar who will give the wrong address any way.

One last thing: I did a search and could not find anything called "washington countty gang task enforcemtn", (with spelling corrected) any place. I did find a "gang task force", but nothing that eluded to their concern about White racist organizations. Maybe they aren't as concerned about White racist as they are about criminals who manufacture/grow and distribute large quantities of drugs in your neck of the woods instead. One thing I can say for the AN is that they are anti-drugs, so I know they are not part of your biggest problem, (drugs being second to liberals) in the state of Oregon.

I know women who will only date men who are taller than them. I know men who will only date women with a specific hair or eye color. And I know black women who will date only white men and vice-versa. It has nothing to do with racism: it is merely a preference for some trait that they find attractive.

Its a shame that a thread posted to ask a legitimate question has descended into such a quagmire of intolerance. There is a difference between an argument and a fight. Stick to verifiable facts from reputable sources and sound logic and you're having an argument. Making personal attacks to try to prove your point not only invariably fails, but is a fight.

In my opinion, a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman regardless of skin color or nationality. To me, the only thing that matters is the colors of one's soul, and if I find a woman's soul to be beautiful, then I could care less if she is black, white, Asian or East Indian. Furthermore, it doesn't matter to me if she is taller, shorter, heavier or if her hair looks like a rat's nest. . . what is important lies within. I've dated black women before and my daughter is from one of those relationships. I've taught her well to respect people based on who they are rather than on who their ancesters were.

If a person prefers to associate only with people of their own race out of personal preference, it is their choice. If a person chooses to shun other races or cultures because they believe them to be inferior, then that person is a bigot. Moreover, the person who shuns other races based on ignorance is a sad individual indeed. Denying yourself the enrichment that comes from an appreciation of other races and cultures merely shuts you out from the possibility of ever becoming a complete human being.

And lets leave the past in the past. It doesn't matter what culture you came from, we all have a history that we should be aware of; however, we have to live in the here and now. My own background is Scottish/Irish. My mother's side came from Ireland, and I'm sure I don't need to explain how most North American Irish families came to be here. My father's clan was the only Highland clan to side with the British at Culloden in 1744 (I just told you my last name if anyone knows how to google), and yet a few years later during the Highland Clearances, the clan got the same treatment the rest of the Highland clans got. But my best friend today is British. If I let history dictate my views I would be denying myself the pleasure of one of the best relationships I've ever had with another person.

My hat comes off to everyone on this thread who has posted comments speaking out against bigotry and intolerance. Devious is a remarkable woman. I've chatted with her a few times in the chat room and I know she is funny, articulate and well educated. I'm not sure if I've encountered Extasi in chat before; however, I can tell she is proud of who she is(as she should be), and is likewise well-informed and intelligent. Mostie and Star. . . kudos go to both of them for their reasoned and informed observations. Any of the above-mentioned ladies would make my real-life friends list in a minute, regardless of the color of their skin. As for those who would reject a friendship or relationship based on race, well its your loss.

One last point. . . As I mentioned above, my daughter's mom was black. The last person who had the balls to display racial intolerance towards her had those balls on ice for the next week. And I wasn't the one who did it. Like I said: I taught her well. I told her "one shot and walk away," and thats just what she did. How many bigots would do that if they were in the same position?

Buck: of course, you have the absolute and irrevocable right to endeavor to date whatever women you find attractive. As do all men of the world. So to answer your question, why do so many black males seek non-black women, every person seeks the person/people who possess the features/characteristics that captivate him/her. If you are asking wildmonkeyboy to list the specific features and characteristics that captivate HIM, I a more friendly inquiry might compel him to share his personal preferences.

Regarding your desire to continue your races purity into perpetuity, not only is your quest already moot (the likelihood of absolute unmixed ancestry, over the millennia, being infinitesimal), but it is pointless as well. Nothing is to be gained at the end of time by a claim of racial purity. Its a little like baking cookies with my two young kids: one of them always triumphs My cookies the biggest!!!to what end theyre all going to end up digested, after all. So I suggest you stop worrying about crossing the finish line with spotless shoes, and begin to concern yourself with the run itself. Its a metaphor.

You claim you advocate love for ones own kind and indifference to others. Take that ideology smaller: treating your neighbors with love and respect certainly makes for a better neighborhood than being concerned only with ones own household. Take it larger: nations cooperating on international space exploration furthers the discovery and wisdom for all. Indifference breeds stagnation.

You list several accomplishments of your race (progressed math, created great architecture, etc.). However, your list is limited to only the last couple of centuries, which is but a speck on the timeline of humanity. Was your race of single-celled amoeba the fastest to crawl from the primordial ooze? Will your race be the most capable of surviving in a post-nuclear world? Will your race, in all its purity, be the best-suited to sustaining itself on another planet for millennia to come? Although its contributions to math, science, art, architecture and hair and eye color (!) are lovely to behold in this particular timespace, the answer to all these questions, is: nothing could matter less.

You did make one outstandingly correct implication, Buck: those who preach tolerance should exercise tolerance. Indeed, as should everyone, regardless of their preachings. It is clear that you are not fearful nor ignorant, but perhaps in your edification on race you have neglected the big picture.

In your mid-forum post directed at Cristobalito, you posed five questions. If I may, Id like to address them. Questions number 1 through 3 can be answered with one response: personal preference (reference my 2nd paragraph, above). Of course, these days, personal preference is heavily influenced by media and other factors. The answer to question number 4 is the same as my comments in my 3rd paragraph, above. And the answer to question number 5 is the same as the final thought in my 5th paragraph, above.

As for the Friends of the particular peoples profiles you visited, the Friends one chooses to display on this site bear no proportional relation to the actual friends one socializes with (electronically, here or elsewhere, or in real life).

Your conclusion that white liberals are in denial of their own racist beliefs is ludicrous. A more accurate conclusion would be that they have faced any racist thoughts and conquered them through reason and broad thinking.

However, I do applaud you, Buck101, for usually presenting your proposals in a clear, concise, and calm manner. Debate is a key component of furthering ones, and indeed, the human, intellect, and yet, sadly, it is also a neglected and vanishing art. I hope nonetheless that you will broaden your thinking and consider the grander implications of your ideologies.

I wonder if a bigot would reject a fine Damascus steel knife because of where the technology originally came from? Lets not forget optics, modern textiles, agricultural principles that still apply today, and the idea that personal hygiene promotes health. All these ideas originated in the East, and many of the thinkers who promoted these ideas had dark skin and practiced religions other than Christianity.

Mention was made of the Ancient Egyptians. It is now well-known that Egypt was the "cosmopolitan" civilization of its day. There is evidence that they had ties with people as far abroad as modern-day Ethiopia, Iraq and India, not to mention Greece. There is ample evidence that many Egyptians took spouses from other lands as a way of solidifying ties with those lands. Of course in ancient times, forced marriage was also a method by which an invader could conquer his enemy and was frequently used to seal the deal when it came time to draft the peace or trade treaty.

I mentioned my own ancestry above. Here is a case in point. The Celts originated in Eastern Europe around what is now called the Danube. Over the centuries, they were pushed westwards until they came to the English Channel. Some made it across the channel to the British Isles, some stayed in the Breton region. More centuries passed and they came under more pressure from the Norse and the Romans. Eventually they came to be concentrated in what is now Scotland, Wales and Ireland. But to identify the Celts as a "pure" race would be a huge mistake. There is Norse blood, Roman blood and "Moorish" blood flowing through Celtic veins to this day. If anyone doubts that, consider that Scotland gets its name from "Scota," who was an Egyptian princess. Consider that by the time of Elizabeth I, many Spaniards had Moorish ancestry due to the centuries of Muslim occupation of the Iberian Peninsula: the Spanish Armada lost many ships along the coasts of Scotland as it fled from the British and most of the survivors stayed there, further contributing their genes to the Celtic "race." In 1066 when Harold was facing his nemesis at Hastings, the Scots were fighting off the Norse from the other direction. All of these wars and migrations have ensured that Celtic blood is far from "pure."

So I agree with Lisa 100%. The chances that anyone's genes are purely of one "racial" origin are approximately nil.

I'm ashamed to see that some people remain so ignorant. In many cases however, that ignorance is wilful, and that doesn't shame me: it pisses me off.

When some human females discover the origin of my true bloodline, which has been genetically enhanced for increased sexual performance and prowess, they sometimes tend to question the ethical implications our relations may have.

But thankfully all of the human females I have come (cum) into contact with have been of such shallow mental nature that they decided having a sexually gifted phucktoy like me around was worth the potential drawbacks.

Those few who discriminate would only have their own enjoyment to miss out on.

(Are they open-minded? I'm thinking about a close encounter of three (3) kinds...)

And Poet, you had in my opinon, an interesting and valid view point and all I did was follow your lead.

I'm sure you have your high points too though. Nobody's perfect, lol.

Ron, the Glenfiddich will be ample compensation for the castle trashing.

Perhaps, June when we are dug out of this snow I'll collect on the way to the Niagara. Cheers.

Hoarse, if you had your nose any further up my ass I'd own you, lol.

Because of that, I believe that a lot of the reaction to Buck's point of view, is that that he is using Wildmonkeyboys forum to create a platform for those who are of the opinion that there is such a thing as "racial superiority".

I worked in Japan and my experience there is taught me that the attitude of racial superiority is not confined soley to those who are caucasian. Esp. when someone's culture is 2000 years old. But that is Japan. Not the rest of Asia.

Even here, in America, you find the majority of Asian people dating and marrying Asians. Same with Armenians, African Americans and on down the line.

So when reading Buck's post and agreeing that he as the right to freely express his desire, I still have to ask where the dividing line is between that (expressing his desire) and going beyond that and advocating racial intolerance..

It's like asking "where does hot begin and cold leave off".

I would like to start by saying that, like Ron, I too am of Scotch/Irish, (and British) ancestry. My family has been traced back to Robert the Bruce and beyond on my fathers side and to the 15Th century on my mothers with nary any indication of racial intermingling on either side. So race is not a "moot" point in regards my family. Nor is it in the case of that majority of Whites. I note that he likes to use the word "bigot". I wonder if Ron is aware that "bigot", (aside from its racial connotations) also means: " a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices" - Merriam Webster Online. It is obvious in that case that Ron is the 'pot calling the kettle black'. Not picking on you, Ron. Just wanted to point that out. We are all bigots in our own right.

The common claim of today is that ancient Egyptians were black. You will find this is written into black history as well as believed by much of the main stream White populace. However, science has not concluded this and the vast majority hold that Whites indeed were the original Egyptians with black Nubian's being their slaves. They base this in part on the finding of an Egyptian man of pre-dynastic Egypt, (over 2500 years B.C.) whose body was well preserved and RED hair was still intact; The Egyptian goddesses, Osiris and Isis were both believed by the Egyptians to have White skin and long blond hair; At least one of the queens during the time of the building of pyramids is known to have had blond hair by carvings found in her tomb. It is widely held, (in the scientific community) that the builders of great Egypt were White and that the interracial mixing with their black slaves may have contributed to the downfall of Egypt. (Biblically, God tells us not to mix nations - races. On a Christian level I wonder if this would be related to the demise of Egypt. Rhetorical. Don't reply). While it is true that some of the mummies and art work found does, to some degree, resemble peoples who were not entirely White, none of it shows anyone who was entirely black. Most of the non-White finds actually give evidence that there was race mixing between Whites and their black slaves as they resemble both races (and in some cases, Asiatic features are also entered into the mix). Not being an Egyptologist myself, (and I doubt there is one reading this thread) I cannot honestly say what race the ancient Egyptians during the dynastic period, (that is what we are concerned with here, right?) were. As I said before, the jury is still out on that question. So to use it as a basis for an argument to prove a point is more in line with hysterics than it is with honest debate.

From Ron: ". But to identify the Celts as a "pure" race would be a huge mistake. There is Norse blood, Roman blood and "Moorish" blood flowing through Celtic veins to this day"

Although what Ron writes appears to be educated knowledge, under the slightest scrutiny it crumbles into nothing more than tiny bits of rhetoric. The Moors were a mixture of races, including Arabs and black Africans. They did conquer much of Spain, but not all of it. They took many of the White women for their harems. Their downfall came when they decided to take France and King Charles, (the hammer) Martel met them with a much smaller army that defeated them and drove them back into Spain, and eventually even out of Spain. There were many Spaniards who did not get racially mixed with the invaders. Included among them were the people of Castile over which Queen Isabella ruled and Aragon over which King Ferdinan V ruled. To this day there are many, many people in Spain who are of pure White stock.

One last thing from me on this: Ron briefly mentioned Princess Scota from Egypt. She was said to be the daughter of Pharaoh Nectonibus. Although, that too is in dispute as there was no Pharaoh named Nectonibus. The point I am making here is that, (when dealing with ancient history) one has to tread lightly because ancient history was not well documented and so many use it, (especially those of no scholarly background) to fulfill agendas.

Time is fleeting and history is elusive. We cannot stop time, but we can alter history by deluding ourselves with falsehoods concerning it. But to do so is at our own peril. History is something that should be investigated thoroughly and only that which is the known truth accepted.

Finally, I get to address Lisa. Thank you for joining this discussion Lisa, you are like a breath of fresh air blowing through this sweltering mass of ignorance and prejudice.

You say Lisa that, "Nothing is to be gained at the end of time by a claim of racial purity". My answer to that is the following video link. This is my race. This the sound of my people. This is the look of my people. Nobody looks like them. Nobody sounds like them. My people move my spirit. They fill my heart with their presence, their look, their sound. To deny their existence, to be a part of their demise, is not in me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znuEeOMSKsA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWNoiVrJDsE&feature=related

And the best for last:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DelJrP3P7tA&feature=related

To be continued....

And while it is debated that the ancient Egyptians considered themselves a people of all colors and used many types of pigments such as gold, ochre, red, black and blue/green for skin color, I have never seen any ancient pictographs showing "white" skin. I've seen pictograpsh of Osiris dressed in white (with black skin), so they certainly had white as a color to use. It is generally believed among Egyptologists that the people living in the north were more Mediterranean in skin color the people in the south were black, with all of the variable skin colors in between. And that theory is supported in their art. Although women of royalty were almost always depicted with olive colored skin in pictographs or gold skin in carved busts (because of the precious value placed upon that type of stone).

I have never read anywhere where the Egyptians considered themselves white or fair skinned ( and fair skinned compared to what?) as is asserted by the "Eurocentrics" such as yourself. And a recent search of Egyptology discussion boards (like egyptologist.org, which only shows one thread on the subject stating that the Egyptians never wrote of their skin color) non have anything on the ancient Egyptian's referring to their skin color.

I could easily go to the Cairo Museums web site or dig up something from Zahi Hawass (probably the most respected living Egyptologtist living) to refute your claim of white skin color, but I assume that you would probably see their statements as biased (even though Zahi Hawass is not black). So where are you getting this information?

The Hittites (who intermarried with the New Kingdom Egyptians) were from the area of Turkey and I would call them Mediterranean as well. So they're considered olive skinned and not white.

I only know of one find in Egypt, where there was discoverd a body with "blond" hair.

Now I know that in China, they have found numerous tombs of females with red hair and conical hats. But the government has clamped down on permits for those archeological digs. And I don't know if the women in those tombs have any relation to the Chinese with Roman ancestry.

What dynasty and in what period (Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom or New Kingdom) was this "find" made?

Once again, what are your sources of information? What university or renowned scholars have come to this conclusion?

And I'm having trouble understanding how one person with "red" hair means that a whole civilization was made up of "white" skinned people.

Without seeing the info on this tomb, one could easily speculate that this person may have been from some other country. The Egyptians were not isolated from the rest of the "known" world. The Macedonians traded with them, the Hittites.. (the list goes on.. I don't want to bore anyone....)

I also noticed that you haven't said anything about the Persians. Or the Chinese or other Asian civilizations.

The Aryan race, compared to other civilizations is relatively young. I have always found it interesting that some consider it the supreme race, considering how long it's been around and how relatively few thier contributions to the arts and sciences are when viewed next to other older races and civilizations.

Even the blood thirsty Mayans were way ahead in astronomical and mathmaticalcalculations (even after they died off) than the Europeans. What was it? Almost 3000 years before the Europeans, specifically Copernicus, came close to the Mayan understanding of our solar system (developed somewhere between 1800 and 1000 years b.c.). And he was born in the mid 1400's. Galileo wasn't born until the mid 1500's and unlike the ancient civilizations which venerated advancements in science and art, he was forced to renounced some of his valid theories and died under house arrest because of them (thanks to the Inquisition another wonderful "white religious" idea. Only saying that to make sure that we don't think that the "White" European Christianity was above the brutality displayed by the religions of the ancients)

The color of hair on a corpse can be deceiving. The hair will take on the color of any material around it. There have been corpses exumed with rainbow hair from the clothing they were wearing and moisture getting in.

Egyptians used dye for different things. Only testing it would prove whether it was natural or if some other process happened.

I do know about the find of the body in (I think it's spelled "Ghar" ), but I really didn't have much interest (at the time) in finding out more about it. Honestly, I can't even remember which kingdom Ghar was built in.

I do know that the skin of a mummy doesn't indicate the color of the person when they were living.

One also has to remember that the Egyptians (all of them, men and women) shaved their heads. This was because of lice. So color of hair from an ancient Egyptian mummy would not necessarily be for the reasons you stated. As I said, they did find someone with blond hair. But I don't have any info on what place in Egyptian society this person had.

As for Scota, there is a lot of debate concerning who her father was. Several names have been suggested but not proven. What is generally accepted is that she was Egyptian and she was a princess. You don't need to take my word for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota

It has been suggested that she was the daughter of Neferhotep I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neferhotep_I

or possibly Necho II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necho_II

Other scholars have suggested other names. To confuse the issue, Scota has been somewhat mytholigized, so it becomes difficult to separate the fact from the myth. Once again your argument fails. This time because you point out a question regarding Scota's parentage, but with incomplete and insufficient evidence to refute the claim that she (a) existed and (b) was an Egyptian (whether or not she actually was a princess is moot).

You spend a great deal of time and effort on the Egyptians in your post. Unfortunately, you have still failed to offer proof that they did not inter-marry with other cultures. In the end you plead ignorance of the subject after devoting a lenghty paragraph to the topic. Perhaps you should spend more time reading the ancient thinkers like Pliny, Ptolemy and Aristotle. They all were familiar with Egypt and many of their writings discuss Egypt. As for Egypt's "downfall" you need look no further than Cleopatra's ill-considered marriage and alliance with Marc Antony or the earlier incursions by Alexander the Great. It had nothing to do with race; rather, it was military conquest and cultural assimmilation that led to Egypt's fading. Keep in mind that this assertion is mine; however, there is ample evidence to support it. By the time of Cleopatra the most commonly spoken language in Egypt (and in Rome for that matter) was Greek. Greek customs had been adopted by both the Egyptians and the Romans and the "old gods" of Egypt were being replaced by the Greek Pantheon. Even the Romans had adopted the Greek Pantheon by then (albeit with Roman names). Egypt never "fell;" rather, the nation was absorbed into the Roman sphere and became something other than the great civilization it once was.

I take exception to your implication regarding my scholastic achievements. I would wager that I am probably at least as well educated as you are, and quite likely more so. I was under the impression that this debate was about interracial relationships and not about who has the most expensive diplomas. But if you really want to discuss academic credentials, perhaps you should earn some first.

I use the term "bigot" accurately. Strictly speaking, among academics "racism" describes a systemic phenomenon and I prefer to use other terms when describing individuals. An institution such as a large corporation or government may be racist even though the individuals that make up that institution may not be. While some people may not recognize the distinction, the fact is that racism as an institutional phenomenon is far more difficult to defeat than outright intolerance; therefore, people who study these issues try to differentiate them.

You say "time is fleeting and history is elusive. We cannot stop time, but we can alter history by deluding ourselves with falsehoods concerning it. But to do so is at our own peril. History is something that should be investigated thoroughly and only that which is the known truth accepted." Interesting. Should I start annotating my posts now? Would you prefer that I use the MLA system or the old-style footnotes with appended bibliography? I assure you that I'm not deluding myself. I've studied long and hard to get to where I am, and I'm not above doing more if needed. I may from time to time abbreviate or omit details in the interests of brevity; however, my facts are facts. And the most important fact in this post is that you have not refuted one of my arguments.

I know that Alexandria there are all kinds of tombs under the city that belonged to Greeks. And they would have hair that was red.

I have to look up how long it takes for hair to decay. The Old Kingdom was at it's peak around 2500 b.c., which is when all of the pyramids and the Sphinx was built.

The New Kingdom was time of integration with other Mediterranean cultures which you obviously know where I'm going with that in relation to this claim of a mummy with red hair.

The first one during the Old Kingdom was caused by a drop in rain keeping the Nile from flooding and the last, during the New Kingdom was caused by an both an extended war that left the Egyptians "broke" and by an extended volcanic eruption which blocked out the sun for so long that crops died and famine.

All one can do in this debate is refute their false data (as is what usually happens and done by real degreed historians, scholars and doctors, but one can't influence their reason or change their beliefs. All that changes is the rational or the "historical" reference that they will use in their next discussion.

I hope that you realize Ron, that you are not writing to (because he's not going to listen to you, because in his mind, he "knows" you're wrong), but you are writing to others.

The old saying of "you can lead a horse to water.. " applies here.

Responding to him with accurate information is really about taking away his platform that he preaches intolerance from.

(he forgot to breathe and died)

Apparently the two of you, (as well as some of the newer posters to this topic) either haven't read all that I have taken the time to write in this thread, or chose to ignore what I have written in favor of being brash and insulting. You have so convinced yourselves that I am a "supremacist" that you have not taken the time to learn what I am actually about. So, let me clarify it for you:

1. I am a "racialist" but accept being called a "racist" as I noted in an early post. But, that is simple semantics.

2. I would accept a person of colours organs in a transplant.

3. My race and its continuance is very important to me. My race is an extension of myself. Just as an average Asian/Negro/AmerIndian/mestizo/jew/other feels a loyalty and connection to their own people, so too do I; Just as my children and parents are an extension of me, so too is my race.

4. As I stated in an earlier post, my race is less than 8% of the worlds population and it is projected that within the next 50 years it will be less than 1/2 of that. If I supported racial dating then I would support racial suicide because one equates to the other. According to the U.S. Census only about 23% of the American population under the age of 18 is White. White females of child bearing age represent 3% of the worlds population. Now, these statistic might not bother you, but they do me. Because they are decreasing at an alarming rate.

5. I do not harbor beliefs of racial superiority, (although I do know that my race has contributed more to society as we know it than has any other race).

6. The videos I posted links to show what can and will disappear if my race does, (and this is of many things). Hip - hop, R&B, salsa nor any other superficial "ethnic music" can replace that. When my race disappears so to does everything. I honestly believe that this world will revert to what South Africa and Haiti have without the compassion, knowledge and intellectualism of Whites.

Now, anyone who disagrees with my beliefs is welcome to do so. Naturally not one of you can justify your opposing views - but I am sure that will not stop you from posting them anyway. In that vain I have a proposal for all of you antis: Start a fund and lobby your government to help us evil White racist leave this country and get settled elsewhere. That is right, I said WE EVIL WHITE RACIST will leave our homelands to establish a new land for ourselves, (notice I did not say "lets send the negros back to Africa"?). This country is lost to us and we are foreign to you in our love of our people. We will go away and you can have your multiculturalism and your multiraciallism and all of the debauchery that is what was once our homes. We will leave this continent, the European continent and every continent that we currently inhabit in exchange for a place we can call our own. Then we will lock our gates and when you are overcome by that which you now worship you will not be able to join us. Give us this land of our own and in return you will no longer have to deal with us. A very simple solution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PukuL9BYDVo

So there is no point in commenting on your backing off of your racial statements about the ancient Egyptians.

But, with regard to your comment about S.A. saying that the whites that ruled there had compassion.. I hardly find what they did on to people Robbin Island or what happened to the hundreds of people battling apartheid (who wanted to be treated equally in their own land) that ended up like Steven Biko, compassionate. Have you ever seen photos of what Steven Biko looked liked when the Afrikaans police got done with him? Hardly looked like they killed him with compassion.

When I take into consideration what the (American) white race did to the African's and later the African Americans here (including the discrimination that most still endure), I think that the African Americans are the most forgiving and compassionate people between the two races.

I don't know of any other American's that have an ancestry that can be traced to slavery and being owned by another race. Not that it didn't go on in other parts of the world at other times in history..

It's obvious that you are not sitting on the fence on racisim, but will embrace any rational that supports your belief.

And based upon the lack or verifiable facts and your inability to substantiate your arguments, people are just going to take them apart.

So, what would be your point in keeping this debate going, since it appears that not one person has posted in agreement with your idealism?

But what I'm curious to know is, what was it that you hopeed to gain in attacking the author of this forum?

However, you initially posted deogatory comments and others such as "I think non White women, (and most specifically black women are the least attractive) women on this planet and that is one reason I could never date outside my race. " That was your intial reason....Those I have problems with!!!

You didn't need to take that path.....

As I said, I am one of a race that is slowly dying... however, in saying that I would never discount or degrade people...no matter what their colour!!!

Let me ask all of you this:

I am not gay. So should I date men to satisfy those who think that I should? Where does political correctness end and reality begin?

Cimmaron, I wrote you a long post and lost it, (new wireless network). So I am going to summarize it. You say that you do not respect my beliefs and I can accept that. I do respect your beliefs though because they have no reflection on my own. They are yours just as mine are mine. While you sir preach tolerance, I practice it. I do not hate. Period. I understand. My race is different from all others and I recognize that difference - I do not prey upon others or use others as an excuse for any failure in my life. My success and my failures are the results of my own endeavors. Just like the cops you speak of in S.A. who committed an horrendous crime against Biko. That was not indicative of an entire race - that was simply indicative of individuals. And let me explain that very few crimes are committed out of "compassion". For current racial strife please search google.

You said, "I don't know of any other American's that have an ancestry that can be traced to slavery and being owned by another race."

Well sir, the first slaves of Whites in S.A. were Whites. Also, every race has had slaves. You cannot guilt me over the past that I was not a part of. Further, I am not going to argue irrelevant stupid with you any longer. If you have a problem with my opinions/beliefs then lets deal with them. As I stated in my last post, patriate me and those like me to a new land where you and those like you wont have to deal with us any longer. How much are you willing to send to the fund, and how active are you willing to be to extinguish those like myself from your association?

Good luck to you in whomever you end up with as a life partner. And if you ever get the urge to kill someone, (besides myself) your father is the reason for all your problems in life. Remember that.

Everyone has their own preferences in life, and I for one am not going to force my views onto others....

But can you see how I would feel offended by the way you say things??? I don't give a flyin hoot if you're attracted to me or not....Ive never spoken to you...but yet, you've stated that I'm basically ugly coz I'm not pure white!!!

horse-racing?

nascar (or other auto races)?

sailing?

racialist vice racist?? OMG too funny - calling someone a "racialist" is like calling a drug dealer "an unlicensed pharmacist"

ole'buck - you can paint houses for 20 years and no one will call you ole'buck the painter; you can fish for 20 years and no one will call you ole'buck the fisherman..... But - sock one cuck and you're a cucksocker for life.

Brown eyes; dark hair; high cheek bones (and dumb as an ox) - living proof that the native americans phucked buffalo

(and buck'a'roo? you "white" people were the LAST ones to inhabit the earth - please turn out the lights when you leave)

We are a product of our environment, bottom line-

Intolerance is without compassion and is often the basis for violence in all of it's manifistations.

To write to mrathlete that if he wishes to kill someone, it's because of his father, shows an ignorance of character behavior, because of of of lack the details of this persons life and therefor it is purely assumptive. What gives you the right to be assumptive like that? I don't believe that I need to extrapolate on that for the readers of this forum.

Besides that, you still haven't answered my previously questions, Buck.

Criscos alright, Cimmaron. He is just having his style of fun and not hurting anyone by it. You go, Crisco! As for your questions Cimmaron, would you mind repeating them as I don't recall any I missed and haven't the time to search back through this thread. Thanks.

Next time you don't provide the exact reply that Cimm is seeking, he'll declare that you are "off topic".

(As if Cimm or anyone else has ever remained on topic in any thread ever, lol.)

If you can delete him, he eventually goes away. It's kind of relaxing to get rid of him.

These were my two questions Buck:

So, what would be your point in keeping this debate going, since it appears that not one person has posted in agreement with your idealism?

I'm also curious to know is, what was it that you hopeed to gain in attacking the author of this forum?

Are you that stupid (or drunk) not to realize the answer to your own question?

Are you that stupid, not to realize that people are sick of your shit in here?

I guess so, because you wont stop.

I don't disagree with you, but I have something else in mind... as I did with toy.

"I'm also curious to know is, what was it that you hopeed to gain in attacking the author of this forum?"

These are the two questions that have you in such a tither, Cimmaron? OK. If they are that important to you, I will answer. Don't expect anything world shaking though - You're not giving me much to work with here.

1. tck pretty much answered this when he said, "Cimm, keep asking Buck questions to see if he'll stop the 'debate', lol." And that is the truth. I have continued this because I have been invited to continue it by people like yourself. As for no one posting in agreement with me, it doesn't bother me. Most people who agree with me only do so in private because they don't want their opinions effecting their public life. I can't blame them either. The ramifications for being labeled a "racist" can be pretty dramatic. Personally, I don't concern myself with those ramifications because I am now, and always have been, honest about my convictions. I live in a predominately minority neighborhood but I do not hide my beliefs from my neighbors because I am not ashamed of them, nor am I afraid of my neighbors.

2. My "attack" on Wildmonkeyboy was tame, if one could even consider it an "attack". Rude and disrespectful, yes. If you will notice I also insulted tck in my first post. As far as that goes, I have attacked tck numerous times, (as he has me) on this board and I take it and give it in jest with him rather than as something personal. And I am sure that most of the time he means it the same way.

Now, when are you going to answer my questions?

1. How much money are you going to contribute to the fund to help us "evil racist" establish our own homeland? And when are you going to send it?

2. Are you, or are you not, going to commit to lobbying Washington D.C. to assist in the funding and resettlement of my people?

So... I'm curious, which presidential candidate do you like?

(P.S... watch out for that Cimm character... he's got a mind like steel trap. A steel mouse trap, lol.)

What happened Hunter, run out of Nazis to beat up on so came back to cyber-assault me? Some friends stopped by yesterday while I was looking at your profile, (after reading your post) and upon seeing your picture, one ask, "Who's the retard holding the Aryan baby?" I had to laugh because, to be honest, I had previously had similar thoughts about your mentality. So we downloaded and enlarged your pictures and had some laughs at your expense. Here are a few of the comments made in your honor:

"Look at his eyes. 'Lights are on, nobodies home', doesn't apply. - This guys lights are obviously out and never been on!"

"This guys eyes reflect no intelligence at all!"

"Bet he's one of those idiots that sprays deer piss all over himself before he goes out hunting."

"Yep. Then he sits in a tree stand all cammed out for hours to shoot a doe that an intelligent man can walk up on and blow away in his own back yard."

There was many more comments, but you get the ring of it, I am sure.

Then I let them read your comments in this thread. And that is when the real hoo-hah started. I won't post any of their statements concerning that, but I will say that you have an open invitation to southern Missouri if you ever want to meet some real red necks. They all agreed that they would love to take you and your camo and deer piss hunting. One says he will even load a nice 50 caliber rifle for you to use. They also said they would be happy to take you fishing on Truman Lake, or even one of the rivers. They know where all the deep holes are in case you like cat fish. Now, aint that right friendly of them there racist red necks?

Oh, Ronny. What happened to you, buddy? You were so full of wisdom, (haha) and intelligence in your earlier posts. Now you have resorted to Hunter Rep style drivel. Most unbecoming you.

You can suggest Antarctica, but it is highly unlikely that we will accept that option. Personally, I am leaning more towards Africa. So are you going to lobby for us and donate a few dollars? You know, "put your money where your mouth is" and get rid of us? Or are you just one of those fools who likes to talk the talk because you can't walk the walk? How much can I sign you up for?

Starfire, I think you meant Darfur. It wouldn't suit my people. But I do recommend it highly to White liberals who think we are all the same and can get along in a mixed society. Seeing that you live in New Hampshire, (with a White population of 96.1%, and a 1% black population, according to the U.S. census) haven't you already segregated yourself? This question begs to be ask: Why do White liberals always preach tolerance and racial integration from ivory towers? Come live among the people you cherish and then preach "love and unity". Even ol' Ron there, living in Ontario, Canada, (an area that is 80.9% White and 3.6% black and 1.7% Aboriginal) does a great job of preaching tolerance and racial integration when he doesn't have to practice it. Hillary Clinton once made a statement to a group of children in a racially mixed high school how envious she was of them to share such diversity, and how she wished schools would have been so RICHLY DIVERSE when she was a student. At the same time she was sending her daughter, Chelsea to an up scale private school that was almost entirely White.

I have to say this in the way that I feel it. If it offends anyone of you, tough: White liberals are the biggest fuc_king phonies on the face of this planet! Noone is more cowardly or self-deceptive then a White liberal. Take a walk down Prospect Avenue in Kansas City, Missouri after 4 p.m. when the natives are starting to become restless and I guarantee you, Ron, Hunter Rep, Cimmaron and Crisco will all be pissing your little silk panties. Everyone of you live in your little White neighborhoods, in your little White houses, with your little White jobs and your little White friends and little White co-workers and you preach bullshit that you know nothing about. Well here's what you can do for starters: Take your little hip-hop loving kids down to the bus stop and load them up and send them to an inner city school. Then when they come home beaten and battered then you....oops, wait a second. I forgot for a moment that their are no diverse inner city schools in your neck of the woods. Oh, well. Enjoy your "diversity". Hypocrites.

You have a point, Uncle Cracker. Of course she has, and the truth is, most of the people preaching integration live in segregated neighborhoods. I'm in Pontiac, and the next closest major city is Detroit...if you run those numbers you'll probably find whites are in the vast minority, but I'm not here by choice. If I'm being honest, I'd much rather have Mostie and the kids the hell away from here, but we have to stay to save some money up to get our land, and be closer to work in the process. It's economic reality. Does that make me a racist? Good question. I don't know. I know the neighborhoods that are predominantly minorities are the highest in crime, and I want nothing to do with them if I have the means to avoid them, but is it because they are predominantly minorities, or because they are inner cities and just happen to have more crime because they ARE inner cities. I would preach from the Ivory tower if I could afford it, I can admit to that.

I seldom view people as different colors until someone like you brings up *race*. To me they are always different cultures, different backgrounds and a wealth of information and learning.

Now just in my little neighborhood here: 21 houses, 2 black families, 3 vietnamese families (I love eating at their houses and learning to cook from them), 1 muslim (pakastani) family and 7 white families and the rest of the houses are summer residences. The only people that fight or that my hubby has to deal with are the white families. Everyone else gets along. When Andy has been out on call due to the storms it is the family across the street that has helped me with snow removal. They are black, they are my friends and I love them very much. Their children are always over here (I have all the HP movies and audio CDs.) If Andy and I aren't here, they know where the keys are to come in. We have their spare keys if we need to get into their place. Most work at Dartmouth College which is multicultural and very liberal. None of the whites work at Dartmouth. (Andy wanted me to add that the one white family here that he has not had to speak to/arrest is the nudist couple up on the upper road).

So here is what my experience is, no matter the color of the skin. People are people. They love, hate, have problems, have joys. They hurt and they celebrate from births, wedding, graduation, illnesses and funerals. Culture is what makes differences. Yet the essence of being human reamins the same dispite the culture. We choose to elevate the similarities or the differences.

Buck, you choose to elevate the differences based on the surface of what you see and read. I choose to elevate the similarities based on who people really are, actually knowing them. Talking to them, learning from them and not some article posted someplace.

So you assumption about me *segregating* myself holds no water and is an example of you reading and looking at the surface of something. You never dig deeper to get facts. So in the end you loose so much that could enrich you.

Even in the workplace this is apparent. We have over 300 people working in our offices. In my team of 16 people, we have 4 black, one Arab Muslim, one Cambodian and one Hispanic. Nearly one half of our team is non-white. Incidentally, among those 16 people are 5 women. Everyone on the team is professional and expert in their field. . . none of them are "inferior" in any way.

I am not originally from Ontario. I was born and raised in Nova Scotia where there were and still are predominately black communities. These communities were established and flourished for two reasons. Firstly, in the 18th and 19th Centuries, new settlers to Nova Scotia were granted land through a lottery system. When a new group of settlers arrived, a block of land would be assigned to that group and a lottery would be held to determine which parcel within that block went to whom. Black settlers, whether slaves freed from British owners in the 1830's, black Loyalists who came north during the 1770's or escaped slaves from the US south were allocated land in the same fashion. Secondly, these communities continued as predominately black well into the 20th Century simply because of the distrust and suspicion that many blacks justifiably had towards whites, and of course, because land is handed down within families. This suspicion and distrust was bolstered in the 1960's with the appropriation of the community of Africville in Halifax for the purposes of building the approaches to a new bridge. Incidentally, there are also predominately Dutch, German, French, Scottish and Irish communities in Nova Scotia too, and for the same reasons.

The black communities of Nova Scotia have had their share of problems over the years. Violence, drugs, prostitution. . . the full gamut. These problems can all be traced to the same causes. And those causes are systemic. When an entire community is below the poverty line because of fewer jobs and less pay for those jobs, it follows that the children of those communities have fewer options when it comes to education thus perpetuating the cycle. Fortunately this problem is slowly being resolved with more resources being allocated and legislation aimed at alleviating the systemic racism that caused the problems in the first place.

As for being afraid to walk down a street "when the natives are restless," only a fool would venture out into a strange neighborhood alone at night, regardless of what color their skin is or what color the natives' skin might be. But do I segregate myself? Hell no. Why would I? What do I have to fear? I would feel more uncomfortable in "Redneckville" than I would in a thriving multi-cultural community.

One of my favorite places in Toronto is "Chinatown," which as you might guess is predominately Chinese (and I might add that "Chinese" represents several distinct cultures in itself). Chinatown is a thriving colorful and exciting area occupying a few blocks of Toronto where shops, restaurants and street vendors make you feel as if you were strolling through a part of Hong Kong or Shanghai; however, a very small part of Toronto's Asian population actually lives there: its really a commercial district. I love the atmosphere and the welcome I get from these wonderful people. If I shunned them because of their skin tone I would be missing so much.

"To me they are always different cultures, different backgrounds and a wealth of information and learning."

Share some of this wealth that you have gotten from your association with non-Whites; Show me some of this information and learning that has so improved upon this country, (or any country for that matter) that I can take with me and embrace. There is none.

Let's see now. You have 7 White households in your little neighborhood wherein the residence are year round. Why isn't any of these Whites not employed at Dartmouth? Because Dartmouth, being a liberal college, prefers hiring non-Whites in all its capacities. You see, the law states, (federal) that if a person has 15 or more employees they must hire a certain percentage of non-Whites and/or women. It does not state the reverse. Noone is required to hire Whites regardless the percentage of non-Whites in their employ. This is a trend in the liberal United States, and most notably in the schools: hire as many non-Whites as possible and ignore White applicants who might be more qualified. Then you can't be accused of being racist or not diverse enough.

Back to your 7 lone White residencies. First, Whites are more apt to call the police, (I am assuming Andy is a police officer since he has had to arrest some of these vile, evil, criminal Whites) than is any other race. You say the nudist, (wonder why you had to include lifestyle - degenerates?)are the only Whites Andy hasn't had to deal with. That would leave 6 White families, including yours. Now, unless Andy has had to deal with his own family as a police officer, then that leaves 5 White households he has had to deal with. Common deduction and logic makes me wonder if Andy has had to deal with these 5 households on a regular basis or if they have been one time only affairs and over the course of how many weeks, months, years? Were the crimes violent? Repeat offenses? How many murders, rapes, etcetera? Or were they mostly just domestic disputes? Also, since Andy is a friend with the non-Whites, how much has Andy over looked in regards to them? I mean, bust somebody the night before you are suppose to have a good fried dog dinner with them? Or the day before you go on vacation knowing that they have an extra set of keys to your house? Not likely.

"Buck, you choose to elevate the differences based on the surface of what you see and read. I choose to elevate the similarities based on who people really are, actually knowing them. Talking to them, learning from them and not some article posted someplace."

I do not elevate anything. I see it, I live among it, I recognize it. My neighborhood is an apartment complex with the vast majority being mestizo and black. There is easily over 200 households in my area. Prior to moving here for my divorce and to be near my son, I lived in a small town in Missouri with a White population of over 98%. I lived there by choice. Prior to that I had lived in areas that had a large interracial makeup. Diversity is not for me, lady. I am not eating fried dogs with the gooks, I am not slinging bullets with the negros and I am not swishing blades with the mestizos. Once you have truly lived among those people in their most base ways, you too will have had enough of "diversity".

Captain Corelli lives that diversity that you so approve of. Read again what he has to say about it:

***"If I'm being honest, I'd much rather have Mostie and the kids the hell away from here, but we have to stay to save some money up to get our land, and be closer to work in the process. It's economic reality. Does that make me a racist?"***

Captain lives in Pontiac, Michigan. Ever been there, Star? Of course not. Hell, you have probably never even flown over it. But then, the Hamptons are the other way, so why should you?

No, you are not a "racist", Captain - you are a realist. Living so close to Detroit, and in Pontiac, you know first hand the danger to yourself and your family. Detroit is one of the most dangerous cities in the world, (that's right, I said, THE WORLD). I don't need to do a census search on Detroit to know that it is vastly more black than any other race. Murder and destruction, rape and robbery are the order of the day there. It is so common place that most of it doesn't even get reported on in the media.

The inner cities of Detroit, (like most inner cities) were, in the past, inhabited by Whites. There were businesses and the downtown areas flourished. Economics were good for the times. There was crime with most of it being no more than the type of crime that Stars husband has to deal with up there in good ol' NH. Occasionally there was a killing. But they were few and far between. People could take walks in the evening and not have to lock their doors. It was common to stay cool on summer evenings by leaving the doors and windows open. If someone walked in without knocking you knew it would be a friend or relative.

Blacks began moving into Detroit and Pontiac for the jobs that the automotive industry offered. Many were honest, law abiding citizens. But many weren't. Unfortunately, the second many out numbered the first many. They brought with them what is now known as the "ghetto mentality". I believe that welfare and the 1960's "civil rights movement" became the defining end to civilization in cities such as Detroit. Add to that, desegregation of the schools, degenerate behavior, an attitude that Whitey owes and set asides such as Affirmative Action, (which only added to the "Whitey owes" myth)as well as communist, whore mongering, black leaders like Martin Luther King, (see mlk.org) and enablers such as Malcolm X and you have a recipe for disaster. Riots and beatings of Whites became common place and have only increased since then. The inner cities went to hell and the Whites saw it coming and fled to what became known as suburbs for the protection and safety of their families. And the cycle continues with enablers and race baiters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Darnell X, (Evans). But these are known as great racial leaders in our topsy-turvy world of political correctness today. A known communist who caused riots, killings and lootings all over the U.S., ML King has a holiday set aside for himself. Not one of the founding fathers, not one American president has such a dubious honor. Lincoln and Washingtons birthdays have been relegated to a simple, "Presidents Day". Great mens memories are buried with hardly any mention of their greatness in the history books while a vil

Yes, I am on a rant and I am going to continue. People who preach tolerance are the least tolerant people in the world, (I think I have said that before, but it needs repeating). Everyone of the liberals here who have preached scorn against me and wishes I would just go away or die, fails to admit that they don't want me to go away or die. If they did they would be willing to lobby Washington D.C. and then the United Nations for me to have my own homeland. No what they want is a racist among them, (just in case I am right) to man the front lines, (not if, but when) this interracial shit boils over and explodes on their dumb asses. And when, (not if) the U.S. economy fails and we sink into another depression these liberals are going to learn the hard way, (just as they have in Haiti and South Africa) just how unsafe they are from black savagery in their ivory towers and their lily White suburbs.

So you all just keep on with your "diversity" talk and your "we are all the same" rhetoric and continue believing it. Or, you can ask Captain Corelli if he would be willing to take you on a tour of downtown Detroit some weekend, (especially in the hot summer months) and get your long overdo awakening. I would invite you to my home for a weekend but you would hate my friends - they still use the forbidden "n" word. But then they have been to the belly of the beast and recognize it for what it is.

Dirtbag, criminal, and poor traits know no racial barriers.

(And I used to live in Washington D.C., lol. Uh... no late night strolls around the neighborhood, lol.)

Nice of you to apply 2000 stats to 1950's to 1980's. Nice try on the spin, but you need to apply real time tables to what I said and not use data that does not apply.

Let's see, in 1984 I could have bought a house in Falmouth for 62K. How do I know this? I was looking to buy a house, I worked at Falmouth Hospital, but my ex wanted to live in the mountains not by the sea. We found the one I have now in 1987. In the meantime we lived in Dedham Mass until we found a house. In 1987 I bought this house for 52K. The current median value here is 225K today, back in 1987 it was 80K.

Now back when I was growing up (I was born in 1958) most of the housing was to accomadate Otis air force base. It was open and in full swing at the time. Most businesses and jobs revolved around the base.

When I was growing up, fishing or the military were the only real jobs in Falmouth and the population completely different from what it is now. Falmouth Hospital was not built until the 1970's. Cape Cod Hospital was a very little hospital and often people had to go to Boston or Plymouth for health care. Real tourism didn't even start until the 1970's. The only time there was a higher population of whites was in the summer.

I was shocked when we moved to Waltham Ma and had to deal with forced busing. I will insert here that I did go to private schools until the 6th grade. Boston and it's suberbs were segregated. Yes Buck, my family is wealthy, so aren't all my non white cousins LOL. It's old money Buck... pre-depression. We all have trust funds. The wealth came from owning valuable land. My side of the tree is french, but great Aunt Louise married Portugese. So several of my cousins are considered non white. They aren't black, nor are they white. I guess that makes them *other*.

I had a friend, Joey... He worked for his dad painting and doing landscaping. He used to get a kick out of applying for jobs. He would check off white on the apps. (He was 100% portugese). He would go for the interviews and watch the shock on the faces. Wiry guy with a very dark olive complecion. He used to tell me I was born lucky. Even as a woman I could probably get farther in life than he could. I miss him, so full of life...

I had started to write what people had taught me then decided not to post it. Why in the world would I want to open them up to your attacks? You are unable to grasp the deeper realization of their lives and simply want to paint them into the catagories you believe in. They are better people than you will ever know.

Of course, with the next profile, we'll get an entirely different personality (perhaps someone smarter or more hygenic)

Hiya Cristo

I don't want to date/marry outside of mine, but I also know that there are good/bad people in every race, and I am NOT racist- so where is the line drawn? If I state that I wouldn't want to date someone of every race there is, does this make me intolerant? No- it makes me realistic- I am realistic enough to know, and admit, what works for me- from experience.

People need to stop and look at their motivation for saying the things that they say- is it to prove a point, is it to 'be heard' and draw attention to yourself, and be 'right'- or is it to have a relatively intelligent discussion about where people stand on things? Honesty is not a bad thing, guys-

You are free to hold your views. I and others here are free to object to your views. I wore a uniform for many years and would have willingly went in harm's way to defend the rights of people like you to hold whatever abhorrent views that you wish. But that does not mean for one second that I would defend any particular position you might hold.

You can state that you do not find non-white women attractive without being offensive. I have my own tastes in women and I can describe what I find unattractive without being insulting to women that I don't find appealing. As soon as you made a personal attack on Wild, you lost this debate: I hope you realize that.

You crossed a line very early in this thread between debating a point and being deliberately offensive. In a debate, personal attacks are not only uncalled for, but they indicate that the attacker has no real ammunition with which to pursue the matter at hand. There is no point in belaboring this any further. It is clear that you are less interested in intellectual intercourse than you are in stirring up emotions and controversy.

Enough said.

I had a problem with him making offensive comments about my race being the least attractive, being more demanding than other races, and how we didn't make contributions to this country. He takes his simple statement and turns it into an unfair and unprovoked attack against my race specifically. This is something that is offensive to me, so I feel that it's my right to speak my mind about his comments and it's bothersome to hear that.

People can choose not to date inter-racially based on preference or experience, it's your choice, no one should argue with you about that. That's not the point right now. The point is that WildMonkeyboy asked a question about what he noticed in Mingles, and was curious about how other people felt. Buck went ahead and tried us to give us a whole new history lesson mostly based on igorant views going back to 500 years. Yes, this is an open forum where one can express their views, I understand that. At the same time, don't come in this room, being intentionally rude and disruptive. Is that too much to ask?

...Leave it to me to use 500 billion words to explain what should have been explainable in a paragraph or so----40 posts ago-! heh heh

And when confronted with accurate corrections on his "informtion", he either ignored it (by skipping over it and not addressing it again) or he ran from it by side stepping it and saying that "no one knows for sure".

He is what he is and he absoultely has a right to choose who he wants to be with, based upon skin color. But he's not here to exchange information, he's here to preach.

Read his comments on the compassion of the white race in South Africa and you will see a recent example of his racial profiling.

Not that most of us here don't do that on other subjects. But regardless of political divides among us, no one else here is preaching something that leads to segregation of another based upon the color of their skin.

You have always been so nice to me!

I want to wish both you and the Captain a wonderful Christmas!

(And I'd also like to mention that I bust on every race, color, and creed, pretty much equally.... no one is exempt, lol.)

Here! Here! Here's to the human race...!

...But how do you REALLY feel, steely?

:P

This is your statement after I had given you the opportunity to move on and let shit go:

***"buck is an inbred racist retard. the best way to deal with trailer trash like him is to cut his dick off, so someone kick his sister in her jaw." ***

And my reply, (in part) and the only mention of your child:

***"What happened Hunter, run out of Nazis to beat up on so came back to cyber-assault me? Some friends stopped by yesterday while I was looking at your profile, (after reading your post) and upon seeing your picture, one ask, "Who's the retard holding the Aryan baby?" "***

I don't pick on kids you frickin' retarded bastard. And if you had the balls to put anyone in the ground you damn sure wouldn't be on a message board bragging about it - Believe me, if you want me all you have to do is bring your stinking mentally challenged ass to Lawrence, Kansas and I'll give you that opportunity. I would gladly go to Oregon, (you'd be easy to find, all I would have to do is show your picture to anyone who works in an ammo or archery supply house or bait shop) but I don't travel 1500 miles just to go to jail over some idiots keyboard killer bullshit. Now, back the **** off or back up your mouth and come on down.

Hugs and kisses and Merry Christmas, retard.

See, this is what bothers me about all this. What Buck said there is absolutely true, but a lot of that stuff never made the news. I don't condone beatings of anyone based on race, but if a black man gets beat up on by a couple white men it's all over the news, and people are calling for their heads, especially if it's a cop. But if the man was white? Hey, he shouldn't have been there in the first place, right? Something wrong with that picture. It just seems odd that we preach equality, and then go way the other way with the stuff when we try to apply it, like the equal opportunity laws. Competent people get denied jobs all the time because quotas need to be filled, and I don't believe that is what the law was intended to address...wasn't it supposed to be the best man or woman for the job, regardless of race? That's not how it's playing out, it's like a pendulum that swings way too far one way, and then way too far the other, but never settles down into the middle ground.

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Buck, everyone has some slight preferences. I find I love jet black hair and dark eyes and olive or darker or lighter skin.

You obviously havent looked at Devious Cherubs pix very good. or perhaps you might not know how to approach a female from another culture. That would be ok to say.

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First, it is great to hear from a man representing our southland. I was raised here in the south and am glad to hear southern men speaking their mind and not being afraid to do so. I would just like to say that as a white southern woman, I share your concerns and views. I also would like to say that I appreciate the way you make your points with facts. You walk in the truth. I for one hope to hear more from you soon.

Southernblessed,

Killian Stephens in Tennessee

Killian

I guess there are no other threads to post in...

Hunter (((hugs))) and try to relax... Buck's post was not like the perv's. You have mail...

When I first read your post, my immediate response was that you are 100% correct. But as I thought about it, I realized, that I haven't read about black cops beating up white people in an arrest and then making a racist comment about it.

I also think that because African American's were persecuted for so long because of their color (think of the south during the civil rights era and before), that when there is a beating by a white cop on a black person, it stands out more.

I think that in order to have a good discussion on this, it would take some resarch on a lot of statistics... to see what comes up as a constant in all of them.

I think that your post is worthy of a forum all it's own.

And to you belong to the same orgaization that he belongs to ? (judging from the staging in his pick, with the flag and the head shot set up, he belongs or runs some sort of organization that promotes his and your form of "racial ethics" )

Thanks, Killian

I would never support anyone taking a shot at your child. I know that all of us stand behind you.

And we all went after Pedro.

But unlike Pedro, he didn't call your child any names. He's just trying to use your child as a tool to support Aryan supremacy. That's because he needs to reach for anything that he can to wind you up in an effort to try and "win" this debate. I don't know what Killian is reading, but Buck has been posting erroneous info thoughout this discussion. So now he needs to use your child...

Typically, Nordic and blond hair, blued eyed people are classified as "Aryan". It was the Nazi's and white supremists that gave all of that a bad reputation by trying to promote one race over the other.

Sucks that he has to try and use her to try and advance such limited view point.

We love that kind of thinking here, lol.

I joined mingles last night and have never heard of Buck until I saw these entries on this forum. I have no idea what organizations he belongs to. I live in Tennessee and have never been to Kansas. I am also not a racist. I do, however, defend our right to speak what we feal.

Thanks, Killian

My apologies to everyone for allowing myself to get out of hand and for responding tit-for-tat with Hunter Rep. It will not happen again as I intend to ignore his threats and childish behavior in the future.

Back on topic: A lot of good points have been made here. Some, (such as one by Cimmaron or Ron2) are common place beliefs and aren't supported once scrutinized. The statement was made that poverty and racial injustice are the main factors in why blacks fail to succeed in society. I disagree with this completely. The truth is, blacks have their own countries and in them they fail. South Africa and Haiti were striving and prosperous lands under White rule. But once Whites were removed from power, and blacks placed in charge of their own destinies, then their economies and entire social structures fell apart. In both instances blacks were given prosperous and fairly economically stable lands. In S.A., farms were taken from Whites and given freely to blacks. In most cases, those farms failed, and I do not believe that any of them, (under black control) continued at their previous rate of success.

A little closer to home. Detroit, (I am using Detroit because it has already been introduced into this topic) has had a black mayor and mostly black city council for most of it's existence since 1974. Yet, in comparison to any city with a White mayor and/or mostly White city council, Detroit fails miserably. And this is true across the board with any non-White controlled city or township. Detroit, like all cities in this country, has access to all of the set-asides, (racial quotas, Affirmative Action, etcetera) that can be taken advantage of and used for the betterment of said cities non-White populaces. But again, they fail to succeed at even taking advantage of some things that should elevate them above their conditions.

Blacks have many opportunities in this country to better their individual or collective selfs. There are programs, such as the United Negro College Fund, college quotas and many other things that can be used to advance this race of people. Yet, they remain stagnant in their ways. Now, this is not to say that there are no blacks out there who are not failures. Quite the contrary, there are many black successes. They are just a very small percentage of the whole. When we compare black poverty in places such as Detroit to White poverty in places such as the Appalachian region of Tennessee, then we see that poverty does not justify an excuse for the actions of poverty stricken blacks in general. Until recently, the Appalachian Whites were the poorest people in this country and had one of the lowest crime rates in this country.

There is a double standard in this country and that double standard is based in that Whites are expected to achieve and blacks are expected to fail. And for that reason liberal Whites have become enablers by making excuses and providing special treatment for blacks. Blacks, who have been taught all their lives that every problem that befalls them is Whiteys fault, expect Whitey to accept whatever they, (blacks) do as retribution for Whitey "keeping the black man down". There are always excuse makers for black failure by both blacks and Whites. When the simple truth is, blacks fail because blacks are not, (on the average) capable of success. As an example of this inability to succeed as well as the average White person can, I will use my own ancestry. It being mostly Scotch/Irish. When the Irish came to these shores they were scorned and treated more poorly than the blacks of today. There were no programs designed specifically to address the concerns and needs of the Irish. There was no welfare, there were no hand outs. Yet, the Irish were able to succeed and progress up the latter to the point that we are now as financially capable and successful as is any other White group.

I have run out of time here so will try to get back to this topic soon.

mrathlete, I agree with you to some degree. I think that many blacks who are failures have failed because they have been conditioned to fail. Not by evil White racist, but by well meaning, pandering liberals of all colors. Among many blacks there exists a mind set that they are owed a free ride. I think they don't realize that someone else is working and paying taxes for their free rides. Here is a woman who exemplifies that mindset. Please read some of the comments below the story to get a general idea as to how others, (mostly Whites) are starting to look at this type of person:

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/22/the-shut-up-white-boy-woman-is-the-slum-dweller-with-a-60-inch-tv/

All of you macho boys need to realize we're on the internet. You can't kick peoples' asses and shoot them through your computer monitor, lol.

Convince yourselves that you have others trembling in their boots though with your pathetic threats, it's hilarious!

***"Typically, Nordic and blond hair, blued eyed people are classified as "Aryan". It was the Nazi's and white supremists that gave all of that a bad reputation by trying to promote one race over the other."***

Also that...and I'm just wondering, why is it someone should be "

banned" for calling someone's daughter an "aryan baby," but it's alright to call their father a "closet homosexual," their mother a "fat ass momma," and their sister an incestuous whore? Am I missing something? lol

I know racism is still out there, but come on, in the chat room? Eventually, there will be a line crossed from all of this...it's really a shame that a simple question in a forum has turned into something that I don't have words for.

This will be my last post here, because frankly, I'm just tired of this nonsense.

You never impressed me as the sort to go whining to Daddy Mingles every time some lame-brain makes a comment involving your daughter. Quit with the puss talk and whining and go back to being the man you are. I don't particularly want a babysitter here in the forums and I doubt Mingles admin has the time for it anyhow.

Hate me if you like, but that's the truth.

Man has throat slashed in 'web rage'

Police have warned chat-room users not to include personal details after a poster was tracked down

By Fran Yeoman

POLICE warned internet users to protect their real identities after a man was convicted yesterday of Britains first web rage attack. Paul Gibbons, 47, of Bermondsey, southeast London, attacked John Jones with a pickaxe handle and knife, slitting his throat, after tracing Mr Jones to his house after an argument in an online chat room.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article604307.ece

Secondly, I would like to apologize to Hunter Rep and everyone else I have offended. Hunter, you have many good friends here and I wish you well with them and also with all of your endeavors in life. I will admit that I did start the feud between us when I replied to your statement that I best leave Extasi out of this and I did so insultingly. Naturally my return reply would offend any mans ego and that was the intent of it. From there it escalated to the point of stupidity on both of our parts. For my part again, I apologize. And should we ever meet I hope it will be over a cold beer.

Thirdly, I hope that for my part in this debate some of you have come to the conclusion that not all of us known as "White racist" hate people because of race or ethnicity and that we actually do have some valid points for our concerns.

Thank you all for your tolerance and your opinions.

( stinky, ya know how to keep this idiot in suspense? )

Faulty exist strategy in my view. Dev Cher as well as Extasi are both Exceptional and not exceptions. You still miss the boat. It is nearly 2008 and while 79 poercent of America feels people can marry whomever they please, some want to stick in the stats of 1979 when 39 percentile thought that way.

White women going out with black men, though, that is often tourists tasting the forbidden fruit. Safer to do things like that when you are on vacation where your rep isn't at stake.

The Post apartheid generation though relate a lot more naturally than most of us who grew up in the era of racial intolerance. Actually a pleasure to watch how unconcerned they are about being labeled with unflattering terms.

this guys from idaho, like i am afraid of this moron.

"Race is not based strictly on skin color. And the tired and boring "there is only one race" holds no basis in fact and is repeated ad nauseum by those who have not taken the time to find out for themselves if there is/is not more than one race. And to say that there is "only one race" is akin to saying that all animals are the same regardless of species. But, we know that the Zebra and the goat are not the same, biologically or otherwise. This is also true in the human races. Race is not based solely on skin color and anyone who thinks it is is an utter fool."

Race is designated strictly by perception. Those who choose to see the human race will see humans. Those who have paranoid and unjust fears that the "race" they identify with is "disappearing" will wine like the paranoid crybabies that they are. All colors of HUMAN BEING can interbreed because we are the same animal.

He certainly is a long winded S.O.B.

I certainly can't answer that. If there is a disparity it most likely is in the way Men and Women differ in their thinking. I would be interested in the real numbers however.

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seeking bonafide BROTHA

I am single mom raising 2 kids with good values and a faith in God. I love to power walk(yes, I said love) and I like to be physically active. I enjoy most anything except horror movies. I just would like to meet a man who is actively seeking "the one" as I am.I am very strong in my faith and I need a man who feels the same. I am an old school R&B enthusiast and am discovering an appreciation for jazz singers and I never go anywhere without my music or my Bible. I only date men of color, we seem to have more in common, and I love to spoil my boo completely. He need only to ask and I will do. And this must be mutual, no exceptions. Am an excellent cook, like to laugh and play. I have never been in better shape, and with the confidence that wisdom brings I am loving life. Would like to share this joy with a brotha who can handle being happy 24/7.

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White chick, looks like she might have a lot of junk in the trunk.

2.5 times as likely the african american will be a male rather that a female in an interracial marriage, but I would bet anything the numbers are even more slanted in mere relationships, rather than actual marriages.

I have believed and still do that the higher ones education(in my own case to get self educated) goes and the more succesful monetarily that one is, prejudice starts to disappear. If there is one consideration for an inter-racial couple to consider, that most other couples need not care about, its that if they have children that child might be faced with dealing with predjudice on both sides of their makeup. That would be quite confusing and downright hurtful to a child. Bearing that in mind a couple has to face the reality that there are many obstacles in life to begin with. Parenting of a mixed race child has one more challenge to meet.

You know, being a child of the Apartheid era: There is an enormous pressure brought to bear by people your own age, but it comes from the parents largely.

To give you an idea: In officer training I shared a tent with some black people longer than my white mates deemed acceptable. People walked up to my mother in the street and said: I hear your son is a Kafferboetie. (Literally: A friend to savages, but it is a really nasty thing to say)Did I ever get it for embarrassing the family name when I got home on leave!

To put it in perspective, this was only 4 years before Namibia became independent under UN auspices. You would think people would be more tolerant, but they just ain't.

Then, to follow him, is an ass load of people who don't read but a couple of posts in the entire thread and assume that I hate people. Well, you know what? I don't hate people - I hate stupidity and ignorance.

Tell me Buck, did you know that the Indians in India are Aryan? There's something historical for you to look up.

Nice attempt at trying to burnish your image. It has a vague similarity to Hitler's response to Hindenberg when the latter chastised him on his firing of the Jews when Hitler first gained office.

Further, (and this is what I was referring to when I mentioned above that some people only read a couple of posts and made assumptions - you were obviously one of them), I never stated, at any point, that Whites are superior to anyone else. You, like so many others, jump to conclusions based on stereotypes when it comes to people of my racial beliefs. You haven't bothered educating yourself as to why people like myself believe as we do, you just follow the herd and the rhetoric of your handlers. Look at the two posts above mine. These people honestly believe that a man like myself, who is 55 years old, is an 'evil racist' because his parents taught him to be. They think that a person of my age and intellect had to have someone "teach" them to be racist. What a crock of stupidity. My real father rarely ever mentioned race, nor did my mother or my step-father. My mother and step-father were, in reality, very liberal. (I can hear it now from the peanut gallery: "Oh, Bucks a racist because he is rebelling against his parents" ). My White racial beliefs come from witnessing the acts, etcetera of non-Whites, and most specifically, blacks and mestizos. They come from reading books and educating myself with knowledge. Books and scientific studies that you would discredit as "racist" because they don't agree with your politically correct indoctrination. I am a thinking person - an analytical person. I don't conclude anything based on someone elses say so. I conclude through study and education. I try to prove my opponents right during the course of my studies, (thereby educating myself on their beliefs) and in the end the flaws in their beliefs support my beliefs beyond doubt. Try that some time. Try to prove me right. I guarantee that you will not find in your endeavors, that I am wrong.

You know something, Cimm? You are a typical liberal. And just like a liberal, you are going to come to the defense of a black person who should be able to defend himself - if indeed blacks are as competent as liberals think they are. Wildmonkeyboy had the opportunity to reply to my statements and answer my questions. But he chose not to. You also chose not to answer my questions. Because you couldn't. And if you attempted to you would have made a laughing stock of yourself. But that's not a liberals job. A liberals job is to protect the innocent minority from the 'evil White racist' - the new boogey man of social injustices.

You have a race of people who are disappearing right under your nose and you don't give a fu-k. The White race to you is non-important. But if we were dolphins or sperm whales or even mosquitoes, you and your ilk would be tripping over yourselves to save us. Case in point: The Aborigines are a protected race. They, like the White race, are dying off. There are organizations that are actively working to save these people from extinction. Honorable isn't it? Of course it is. They aren't White, therefore they are not expendable.

Further, (and this is what I was referring to when I mentioned above that some people only read a couple of posts and made assumptions - you were obviously one of them), I never stated, at any point, that Whites are superior to anyone else. You, like so many others, jump to conclusions based on stereotypes when it comes to people of my racial beliefs. You haven't bothered educating yourself as to why people like myself believe as we do, you just follow the herd and the rhetoric of your handlers. Look at the two posts above mine. These people honestly believe that a man like myself, who is 55 years old, is an 'evil racist' because his parents taught him to be. They think that a person of my age and intellect had to have someone "teach" them to be racist. What a crock of stupidity. My real father rarely ever mentioned race, nor did my mother or my step-father. My mother and step-father were, in reality, very liberal. (I can hear it now from the peanut gallery: "Oh, Bucks a racist because he is rebelling against his parents" ). My White racial beliefs come from witnessing the acts, etcetera of non-Whites, and most specifically, blacks and mestizos. They come from reading books and educating myself with knowledge. Books and scientific studies that you would discredit as "racist" because they don't agree with your politically correct indoctrination. I am a thinking person - an analytical person. I don't conclude anything based on someone elses say so. I conclude through study and education. I try to prove my opponents right during the course of my studies, (thereby educating myself on their beliefs) and in the end the flaws in their beliefs support my beliefs beyond doubt. Try that some time. Try to prove me right. I guarantee that you will not find in your endeavors, that I am wrong.

You know something, Cimm? You are a typical liberal. And just like a liberal, you are going to come to the defense of a black person who should be able to defend himself - if indeed blacks are as competent as liberals think they are. Wildmonkeyboy had the opportunity to reply to my statements and answer my questions. But he chose not to. You also chose not to answer my questions. Because you couldn't. And if you attempted to you would have made a laughing stock of yourself. But that's not a liberals job. A liberals job is to protect the innocent minority from the 'evil White racist' - the new boogey man of social injustices.

You have a race of people who are disappearing right under your nose and you don't give a fu-k. The White race to you is non-important. But if we were dolphins or sperm whales or even mosquitoes, you and your ilk would be tripping over yourselves to save us. Case in point: The Aborigines are a protected race. They, like the White race, are dying off. There are organizations that are actively working to save these people from extinction. Honorable isn't it? Of course it is. They aren't White, therefore they are not expendable.

My intention was not to assault you.. (isn't he sensitive, everyone?)

My intention was to let you keep posting your misinformationn and to reply with correct information.

As far as only reading a few posts, there is a post of yours in here, to me, where you needed me to repeat my posted questions that you didn't answer. I will assume that you didn't read my post in the first place or you wouldn't have needed to have the questions repeated.

I'm not defending black people specifically, I'm standing up for all of us because we are all one race! We all are constructed the same. We just don't all have the same possibilities in front of us, because of the way society has developed.

It's because of those, with your racial ideology, who preceeded you in history, that we have problems in this country that will never heal.

In European countires, they don't see the problems the U.S., that grown from slavery and racism, because they never had it (for the most part). In Europe don't see black housing projects, gangsterism (except with the white, neo nazi's and of course, the Mafia in Italy), high rates of crime, illiteracy or "welfare" recipients among blacks.

Many blacks that had the means, moved to Europe to earn a better living and where they were treated as equals. Jazz greats like Miles Davis went to Europe, because of that. People like him were gained great renown and appreciation over there. But here, they were treated with scorn and jealousy and hassled by law enforcement. Something that Miles was always bitter about here. But why would that make a man bitter aobut his own country??

I'm sure you have a good answer for that.

Additionally, Slavery is a huge problem in the world today. Particulary on the Ivory Coast...

" There is a surprising association between chocolate and child labor in the Cote d'Ivoire. Young boys whose ages range from 12 to 16 have been sold into slave labor and are forced to work in cocoa farms in order to harvest the beans, from which chocolate is made, under inhumane conditions and extreme abuse. This West African country is the leading exporter of cocoa beans to the world market. Thus, the existence of slave labor is relevant to the entire international economic community. Through trade relations, many actors are inevitably implicated in this problem, whether it is the Ivorian government, the farmers, the American or European chocolate manufacturers, or consumers who unknowingly buy chocolate. Discussions have arisen regarding how to respond to the problem."

american. edu/ted/chocolate-slave. htm

This was unlike South America, where the native peoples existed in mass communites and were subjugated thereby making it unnecessary and uneconomical to spend money on the importion of slaves on a large scale.

And I agree: in Africa, there are present day economic issues in relation to monetary disparity among the popluation. But that is usually (from what I have read on that part of the world) due to corruption. And there is an acitivism that is taking place in some of those countries to get the large coporations out, because they are viewed as the root of this problem.

But that sort of disparity is not a type of discrimination that creates a society that treats someone unfairly bassed upon their skin color. It does create a situation where a small group of people are able to exploit the wealth of the land and look to subordinate the poplulace in order to have "power" over the country.

As far as economic disparity here, in the U.S. that is happening on a broad level (in my view) and crossed racial lines some time ago.

But your points and this part of the discussion, is not what I am (or was challanging) Bucky about.

BTW, I am well ahead in the mis-spelled word contest. I just am not the anal about it....if you can understand what I meant , fine.....I dont sweat the small stuff and this isnt the University. Although some wordsmiths like to think otherwise and love to spell check just to annoy....

Does anyone know just how many emoticons are available on this new program? Google has a spell checker on the their search bar but mine closes out the program everytime the Mingles page reloads so I gave up.

I think that protecting ones own past heritage and celebrating their cultures advances should be encouraged. I love my Greek heritage. I know none of my relatives. The only ones who lived here in North Jersey went back. Its been a great source of pride and curiosity throughout my whole life. As great as that culture was I would not put someone elses down.

When Buck made exceptions to the two women he slapped them even harder. As if to say well you are not quite as "whatever" as your fellows. I found that very condecending.

when i grew up in beaverton at that point there was not a large population of black people, but i do remember one of my best friends through jr high was a balck kid named marco. i guess i really never noticed there was a difference between us cause i always learned from living in portland that they were just like me. when i was in the army at ft hood my two roomates in the barracks were both black, again i never saw a difference. now i grew up with this thinking as a child, so once again i can say that i just dont know what went wrong in a person childhood to make them a racists. buck has stated before and even in his priofile he is a racists yet here he makes statement cliaming he is not. funny.

is disappearing. The notion that "his" "race" is some sort of shining example of culture. His quote below:

"buck"

"Perhaps you need to check again, kaos2007. My race is the Adamic race/Aryan race/White race. My race is the oly one that is capable of breeding and producing children that can have blond or red hair, eyes that are green or blue. My race is the one that has created the strongest countries, most civil governments and progressed math to it's current degree of complexity. My race is the race that built the grandest of architecture, art and music. My race is the race that is currently supporting nearly every other race on the face of this planet. You can argue that we are "all the same" but history and everything modern proves differently, (not to mention true science which does distinguish racial differences)"

He wants to believe he is associated with great cultural achievements by "race"

Greeks? Romans? East Indians? Chinese?...on and on.

Show me the blond/red hair or green and blue eyes. I happen to have blondish hair {getting more gray by the minute) lol, blue eyes and red facial hair. I however, lack undue paranoia and prejudice as do most intelligent and reasonable people of the human race.

heh heh

I guess a real sign of progress and being civilized is exactly who we acknowledge as "people". About 40 or so years ago Whites were known in the local Nama language as "the yellow things". In Nama Grammar we were not acknowledged as "people". I am glad to report that we have since been given that coveted status. He he.

At varsity a friend of mine told me that apparently in the old Egyptian kingdom somebody once wrote: "The savages of Europe are starting to dress like people now." Apocryphal probably, but all too true in sentiment. We are top of the heap at the moment, but who is going to be in charge 500 years from now? Empires fall, fact of history.

Beg to differ with Cimm though: The economic divide in Africa is enormous and also still runs along colour lines. The local economic elite is still rich, white and german, for instance. And they are in bed with the <now black> rulers. The large multinational corporations often view corruption as cheaper for their bottom line. Why pay millions to a government when you can buy influence in that government for a few Grand? It's just a cost of doing business. So wrong and yet so inescapable.

The only country that I can think of that totally screwd up when they siezed all of the land from the whites and gave it back to the people, is Zimbabwe. I have a good friend and his family had lived there for several generations, as farmers ( or plantation owners). Their land was seized. Anyway we all know what is happening there. A complete econmomic and human catastrophe, because of Mugabe's policies. For the life of me, I can't imagine what he could be thinking.. I think that he's a madman.

I didn't want to bring this subject up before, lest Bucky try and use it to his advantage. It would have made for more writing (on my part) to refute him (with the real underlying reasons for the problems) than I'd like to spend time on.

You're point about the multinational's is the point that I was making before.

I had a girlfriend that moved to South Africa and wanted me to go there. But I have never liked the politics and the history of Africa. It is so screwed up there.. From Nigeria's corruption to Rawanda, Algeria, Sudan (Darfur), Somalia and Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, the lawlessness of certain cities in S.A. (like Durban), Joburg and the Cape Flats.

And I don't know how much of that can be tied to the mulitnational corporations, but they certainly seem to make it worse wherever they set down to do business.

Oh..shit... I forgot to bet in the pool.... damn.... And I really needed to make some money so I could buy a soda too...

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They call them CNN babes I believe. Zain is but one of many. :P

Say 'soda' They'll all understand in just one moment.

Now I only read a few of bucks comments in this forum, and clearly he's a modern-day racist..If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but that's what I believe. He mentions earlier in this forum of "his race" being the only one that can control genetics by being the only one to produce blond hair and blue, green eyes...apparently, BUCK, you need to go back to school and look at the science of geneology...color appearances only 'follow' the trail of it's preceeding DNA contributor, whether it be the male or female..but there are several thousand 'dormant' genes that do not show themselves unless certain conditions are met...according to buck, 'his race' built the stronest countries, etc...which is bullshit. BUCK, the only thing people with your mentality did in history was took credit for the labor of those you thought were beneath you. The truth of the matter is everyone BUT your aryan brethren built strong civilizations...all you tried to do was control and inevitably destroy them, the same for now. They say history repeats itself..all of the death and destruction today origionated in the Biblical Era of history....so when I read someone as truly ignorant as BUCK the first opinion that pops in my head is that he must think he's a god...because there is none truer than Him, and for you and the aryan race to have dominated all through history like your attitude predicts that means aryans must have been Gods back then. How 'bout a little reality check? The plight of aryans is what gave the birth to so many sicknesses of the world....if aryans built the stronest civilizations then, just like the plague, they infected them as well...culturally people who tend to stay within their origins tend to stay near the geographical location that is recognized for their origin...Aryans, however, could not stay in one place...they were the ones who went to africa and captured africans and brought them to the americas, aryans were the ones who spread all over the world in massive attempts to try and control one another...so all of the sicknesses and diseases to follow, BUCK, you're saying we can attribute to the aryan race, right?

lol...I don't know where I'm going with this but it's fun as hell....lol

Now, on a more civil note, I've never personally believed coming up that race was sooooo important that it would and/or should bring the worst out in people. Everyone has their preferences, and everyone has their preferences for a different reason. So while one person thinks in terms of their own turn-ons and turn-offs and uses sterotypes to justify their ignorant attitudes toward the subject, I myself believe that each person is different, each person has their own preference, and when you put race, ethnicity, and culture aside, you are one person that is looking for the one that compliments you..and that in it's own nature is truly colorblind. Most people in life aren't happy in their relationships because of the very limits they bound themselves to other people with...and what's worse is that when relationships are destroyed in general there is a general ignorance in response as to why replationships are destroyed, and the more common perceptions to follow is what starts the trends for sterotypes, such as black men only wanting to date women of other nationalities. I had a German ex-wife, and she was a bitch and still is...i've tried doing everything for both her and her two kids and I got shitted on pretty damn bad..anyone who knows me knows this about me...but you know what, I don't carry the perception that all German woman are bitches..understand? Instead I rather hold my opinion that she wasn't the right one, I made a mistake and moved on...in fact, I'm with another female, mostly raised by an old German couple but born an orphan - she's everything I expected my ex-wife to be...beautiful, supportive, trusting, everything....and she's the mother of my unborn son and my future wife...so it's not about culture when you take all of the wool out of the eyes...it's about what makes you happy and finding someone that can do that for you.

Buckanese there is just feeling threatened by the diversity accruing because of his race's blunder in globalizing the world.

But on to bigger and better things -dating people because of interest factor (*NOT because of rebellion to the parents) I say: Go for it!

Buck is an avowed racist and said so in his profile, which was removed because of this thread: "joooosssssssss". Perhaps you would care to look it up and read it before you go on with judging everyone here based upon reading just a few posts.

If you would have actually read down 30 posts, or even read Buck's reply to the first post you would have seen that he insulted the orignator of this thread w/ a racial comment. That and you would have seen that this discussion was civil, with most people agreeing that Buck was entitled to his point of view. And Buck was affored his point of view.

He tried to use this thread and a few others as his pulpit to preach racial segregation from and was disproven on a number of his statements that he presented as "factual".

One example was his reference to the Egyptians being fair skinned and to the god Osiris in particular being of a light color.

I appreciate your wanting to participate, but perhaps you should read a bit more before you judge us.. read threads like these:

"Man Marries a Goat"

"CANADIAN CATHOLIC DEMON WORSHIPPERS"

"GOD IS P*SSED! "(My personal favorite)

"Thank you Cimm, if It wasn't For YOU, I Would Not Be Cool and My Life Would Be Meaningless, Instead" (my favorite over my personal favorite)

"IT LOOKS LIKE A KISS, BUT IT'S NOT!! WHAT'S HAPPENING BEHIND SHILO THAT IS ACTUALLY MAKING HER LIPS PUCKER UP IN HER PHOTOGRAPH"

"Has anybody heard about that book "2012"?" What are your thoughts, do you think it's another piece of crap that predicts the end of the world because tck is also a piece of **** and is trying to take over the forums?

"This is a personal topic , WHY CAN'T I FIND ANY WHERE ON THIS SITE TO TALK TO ANYONE AT MINGLES"

Or how about or most popular threads like:

"Imature minglers"

"iam egypt man 40years old looking for nice woman if any care send me back"

"hi all!"

"Worth A Look.......".

"Will Gore back Hillary... and was she ever his tushy girl?"

"A new category?

"Whats Up Everybody!!!!!!!!!!"

Then you could look at our least favorite threads:

"The God delusion."

"Corporate Treason"

"Name that tune"

"What's the point of this verbal Exercise"

LTNS! What's shaking with you??

SHILOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - hugs/kisses hon

Wintermoon...I don't think I could have stated what you did any better, hon...btw I love the attire...is that a kimono?

SHILOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - hugs/kisses hon

Wintermoon...I don't think I could have stated what you did any better, hon...btw I love the attire...is that a kimono?

I've been doing well.

I see that your not in Germany (or as Tolstoy called it the land of "the sausage eaters".

It's good to see you around here (coming up on 8 years for you).

I had to reread my post to see what you were complimenting -really, while it's fun to get off topic, I do like answering the original posts too....although it IS really fun to get off topic sometimes ^lol^

(((hugs)))