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Global Warming: On Hold?
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Global Warming: On Hold?

Michael Reilly, Discovery News e-mail share bookmark print

Warming, What Warming? | Discovery News Video March 2, 2009 -- For those who have endured this winter's frigid temperatures and today's heavy snowstorm in the Northeast, the concept of global warming may seem, well, almost wishful.

But climate is known to be variable -- a cold winter, or a few strung together doesn't mean the planet is cooling. Still, according to a new study, global warming may have hit a speed bump and could go into hiding for decades.

Earth's climate continues to confound scientists. Following a 30-year trend of warming, global temperatures have flatlined since 2001 despite rising greenhouse gas concentrations, and a heat surplus that should have cranked up the planetary thermostat.

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My own suspicion is that people who are well off financially may continue to worry about global warming.

But those needing jobs, food, etc., won't be too concerned.

Priorities.

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LOL....the same guys that can't predict the weather tomorrow or the next day are predicting weather patterns and global warming 20, 30, 50 years down the road.....yeah, that'll happen.....LOL

But, you have a point...I think many "things" will be set aside as people prioritize their life and pay attention to "their" ecomomy.......

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Burping Worms May Contribute to Climate Change.

Thursday, March 05, 2009

By Andrea Thompson

Aquatic animals that feed on lake and stream bottom sediments burp out small amounts of nitrous oxide, a potent greenhouse gas, a new study finds.

While the biological emissions from these critters pales in comparison to the nitrous oxide emitted by fossil fuel burning, their contribution could increase as more and more nitrogen-rich fertilizer runs off into lakes, streams and seas, the authors of the study said.

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Will Al Gore begin an assault on 'burping worms'...? LOL smilesmilesmile

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This calls for a burping worm steralization program. Hmmmmmm....I'm sure there is a government program I can run with.....hell.....Arkansas just got and couple million to study pig odor.......
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Pig odor research in Iowa?

While Republican opposition in the House focused more on the bill's overall spending, McCain and allies turned the Senate spotlight squarely on earmarks.

"How does anyone justify some of these earmarks: $1.7 million for pig odor research in Iowa; $2 million 'for the promotion of astronomy' in Hawaii; $6.6 million for termite research in New Orleans; $2.1 million for the Center for Grape Genetics in New York," he said.

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robbi642
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My mistake on Arkansas.....it was Iowa.....same last names...different locations....lol
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Did the worms stop burping?

http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?blog=weathermatrix&partner=&pgUrl=/mtweb/content/weathermatrix/archives/2009/07/1000_low_temp_records_set_this_july.asp

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robbi642
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cows stopped farting?? LOL.......It's gonna play out and the earth will correct itself......without Al's assistance......
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http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.coldest.july.2.1103959.html
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spart
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Are you an "Urban Elitist"?

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Global+warming+religion+First+World+urban+elites/1835847/story.html

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Why our government needs global warming.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124967502810515267.html

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gtr420
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well i guess obama is gonna appoint a burping worm czar now
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This morning was 42 degrees... I wonder when summer will start?
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Political climate for energy policies cools

Poll: Economy outweighs environment

By JENNIFER ROBISON

LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

"Right now, Americans are more concerned about the economy than the environment," said Frank Newport, editor-in-chief of the Gallup Poll. "The politician who says, 'I'm going to cripple jobs and shut down factories' would be in trouble in this economy."

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People are finally wising up to this whole global warming scam. wink

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spart
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Something for the global warmers to spin

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090910_summerstats.html

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robbi642
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That HAS to be a mistake Spart.........LOL
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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Ban cigars and cigarettes!

Stop Al Gore's jet from flying!

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Earliest snow fall ever in Chicago

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/No-Kidding-Snow-on-Sunday--63751227.html

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Even the super liberal BBC is getting on the bandwagon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

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Not a surprising article for me Spart.....But I'm sure it sent all the Al Gore followers back to their calculators........LOL
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When I looked out the window this morning, there were snow flurries- holy moley, what is going ON in this state? LOL

...Robb-o, don't say it- hahaha

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Cold snap sets more records

By KRISTEN CATES Tribune Staff Writer October 12, 2009

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Del.icio.usFacebookDiggRedditNewsvineBuzz up!TwitterIt was a cold day on Oct. 11 in 1969 and 1972 in several communities across northcentral Montana. But Oct. 11, 2009, will go down in the books as a more frigid day.

Several communities in this part of the state broke daily low records on Sunday, and several more also broke records for having a high temperature that was still well below freezing.

"Hopefully the worst is over with," said Jim Brusda, meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Great Falls.

In Cascade, the daily low was -2 degrees on Sunday, where the record low for this date used to be 15 degrees set in 1969. In Lewistown, the low was 5 degrees, breaking the previous record low for this date of 18 degrees set in 1969. In Stanford, the thermometer dipped down to 7 degrees, well below the old record low of 15 degrees in 1931.

The low in Great Falls Sunday was 10 degrees, whereas the previous record low was 21 in 1969.

But the temperatures didn't reach too much higher throughout the day.

Brusda said there is a very cold northerly flow that has moved in from Canada, but what's holding the weather here is cloud cover.

"What we need is a good west wind in here to break the clouds up," he said. "The warmer air isn't that far away, it's just a matter of getting some sunshine in here."

The clouds have prevented the temperature from reaching above freezing, and they likely won't until sometime Tuesday, according to Brusda.

That meant that more records were shattered throughout the day, because the high temperature for many communities was one of the lowest highs recorded for Oct. 11.

The high in Great Falls Sunday was 23 degrees, well below the old record low-high temperature of 30 degrees in 1969.

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robbi642
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Once again........Thank You Pam, Frank and all other northern neighbors......LOL
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Global warming has been good to Alaska. No snow and it will be in the 40's (F).
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Rub it in Shi........go ahead.......LOL......
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Global Warming is real. Climate and weather are two different subjects. We learn in class how molecules effect the stratosphere. For instance, one molecule of CFC can destroy 100,000 stratosphere molecules... The chlourine being the culprit. This is why CFC's like R-12 have been phased out. Now HCFCs such as R-22 are being phased out by the year 2030. We will be using R 410A refridgerants which is known as an HFC (no chlourine). The climate will effect both extremes of weather. In the summer, it would be extremely hot while in the winter you may experience extreme cold. If you put a whole in our stratoshpere this happens, and does.
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I also want to point out that in case you didn't know, the stratoshere protects the earth from the suns radiation UV rays.
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The situation has become, or will become VERY soon, a matter of:

Jobs. vs. Global Warming.

This will be Obama's choice.

(The environment is VERY important... but not the most crucial issue RIGHT NOW.) wink

Priorities.

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TCK

The environment will always be number one. We're comparing the need for jobs to the earth we live on? That sounds ludacris. If America wants to create jobs (since we dont make anything anymore) then we need to lead the world in new energy resources. There are endless possibilities. Thats the answer. If we seek this out, we would once again be the country that saved the world (and created endless jobs in the process).

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We'll see Josh.

Lots of people without jobs right now.

I suspect people will want jobs before living in the streets to protect the environment.

Right now, without jobs, they're headed for the streets.

Just a suspicion. wink Time will tell.

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Josh, you're right, by entering into the global warming scam, we would create new jobs. But, they will be new jobs that require new training. The people that need jobs right now, don't have time to be trained for a new career, some are not even capable of being retrained. They need jobs now, today......with a paycheck next week. Long range future, you have a great point......but, the problem is more immediate than that....
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More for the spin meisters to chew on.

http://austriantimes.at/news/General_News/2009-10-12/17147/Early_snow_records_set_to_be_broken

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Algore can't handle the truth. Below is a portion of a news article. the full text is in the link.

In what organizers said was a rarity, Gore took half a dozen questions from journalists, including one from Phelim McAleer, an Irish filmmaker who asked Gore to address nine errors in his film identified by a British court in 2007.

Gore responded that the court ruling supported the showing of his film in British schools. When McAleer tried to debate further, his microphone was cut off by the moderators.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/article_dacf39c7-c2f8-5718-a5a0-d0cfb39f80bc.html

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I'm failing to understand why people can't be retrained to do jobs... The fact is that many of those who lost work will not be able to get those jobs back. They will have to find something new. In times like these, the best thing to do is be creative and come up with a comprehensive plan to create new, innovative jobs. I don't know if anyone has noticed but these short term fixes don't work so well... Instead of making this a political issue we should be making it a human priority. I don't care what Al Gore says and I don't care what right wingers say. This problem is right in front of your faces.
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I own a business and I wouldn't invest time or money into any kind of new jobs venture right now because Obama wants to initiate cap & trade, mandatory business paid health insurance, union empowerment, and most recently - health insurance benefits for gay roommates ('domestic partners').

All job killers.

Many business & industry leaders are afraid to ramp up any new ventures with Obama looking to spend any money they might make. wink

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a interesting youtube channel to check out that covers global warming.watch a few vids

if you want.i know it wont change tcks mind,he's never wrong grin but might be interesting

to others.

http://www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610

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ok..im going to sound like a broken record here,but on this topic,i think again of wendell berry "sex,community,freedom and economy" hes a scholar and an organic farmer in kentucky,talented and passionate writer,and the book is very eye opening,for religious and non religious alike,he is universally recognised by catholics and protestants,and "other" as the voice of creation stewardship,land stewardship,etc.

before reading his books,and realising how my thouhgtless actions oppressed others in ways i didnt know of,it really changed my life,how i make decisions,becuase it affected my consciense,enouhg so that i bought many copies to give out to friends.

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and again ill say look at the amish,they have a respect and reverence for creation,they do community better than anybody,and youll never hear of an amish man being out of work,..there are a lot of lessons that can be learned from the amish economy,an economy that is sustainable,and earth friendly.

were made of the earth,to hurt the earth hurts us,to keep feeding an instant gratification economy and addiction is a mistake.

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tck..i agree with you on the buisiness start up front thouhg,even thouhg all those changes are slow to reach where im at,if they ever do,lol..nothing ever changes here,but eventually all those changes would make their way here,and no one wants them

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(I'm wrong a lot, lol, and I hope I'm wrong right now. wink)

But I think the guy with a family of four who's unemployment runs out will say, "Fvck global warming... I need to heat my fvcking house... I'll take a job burning car tires right now..."

Once again it appears to be a simple matter of the 'haves' vs. the 'have nots', many rich people are concerned about global warming, people without jobs and without money could care less about global warming.

Personally I think the entire global warming issue needs to be put on hold, because as the USA sheds business & industry that causes global warming, the Chinese build business & industry that creates global warming - the Chinese want the money, the robust economy, and the jobs.

(And we're all on the same globe. wink)

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Soooo puting it on hold will make things.... better? I think if we're smart enough, we can create some jobs and start working on this issue now. Can't think of a better time.
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Name some jobs that would start tomorrow, next week or next month should we embrace the global warming scam........
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Fact. It's about jobs.

Global Warming is just another. Hey we're the government, we need to get control of this (minor issue) in a major way. Universities love it. Government grants to study it are issued. Of course they have to promote it to keep the grants coming.

How do we issue grants to study reduction in government size, spending and waste. Think the govt is going to pop for that?

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Josh, I'd like to emphasize Robbi's question - please explain. wink

(I am hearing a great deal of political 'talk' along the same lines, and I cannot understand where reality fits into the scheme. Reality = real, make it happen.)

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the hits just keep on rockin

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/october.cold.record.2.1247099.html

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Interesting - I am personally against cutting down trees in mass quantities just so that the wood can be burned as fuel for manufacturing, it takes too many trees out of the forests.

But now that coal and other 'carbon products' are being 'evilized', many wooded areas are quietly being purchased by huge manufacturing firms specifically so they can cut down the trees and burn them.

What laws and regulations will win out - laws against using coal and 'carbon products', or laws against cutting down the trees on your own land?

Interesting dilemma. wink

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Stockholm's bunnies burned to keep Swedes warm.

The bodies of thousands of rabbits culled every year from the parks in Stockholms Kungsholmen neighbourhood are being used to fuel a heating plant in central Sweden.

The decision to use Stockholms rabbit cadavers as bioenergy to warm Swedes living in Vrmland doesn't sit well with Stockholm-based animal rights activists.

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Bunnies today... unwanted dogs & cats tomorrow? wink

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Ok, no summer, fall was real short...

Any idea when it will get warm???

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Robbi

Where do I start? How about reconfiguring the enitre electric grid, manufacturing and maintainting wind turbine farms, Geothermal heating both residential and commercial, green products produced right here in the USA such as electric lawn equipment, commerical and residential solar panneling, autos just off the top of my head. I'm sure if I google there would be much more to do. There's so much I don't know. Simply put, we need to be more self sufficient and there is much to do.

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But Josh, my question was not for a long range solution. I understand that we need to be looking long range such as the electric grid. But, the unemployed of the US needs jobs today, the free money is going to run dry and by giving extensions, it's only going to multiply the number of people that are going down the tubes when the money stops. Looking 20-30 years down the road is smart, but you also need to have an immediate plan. Many of the things you mentioned won't provide additional jobs since it'll just be a switch and the employees are already in place. Such as autos, make more efficient autos, well the plants will just switch what they are doing not put up more plants....workers are in place. For every "new" thing that comes about and requires people, it's going to eliminate the "old" and put people out of work. Geothermal heating is great, will employ some people that can do it......and will put people out of work that install the traditional heating systems......etc.
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Josh - your views, not incorrect by the way, are completely in line with the current political administration.

Nobody is interested in buying the new products and/or services you suggest our nation should be developing right now, but the political leadership believes these products & services should be created anyhow, and possibly forced upon the public (that doesn't want it) for purchase.

It could very well be that all of this new 'green' technology and these new 'green' goods would sit unsold, while people burn logs in their fireplace for heat because they can't afford to buy the new stuff.

Research & development might (might) create jobs 4-5 years from now... but what about NOW...? People needs an income in order to buy anything.

One suggestion has been to look at priorities...

** Address the issue of global warming NOW...?

** Address the issue of providing jobs NOW...?

It does not logically appear that both options can take place at the same time, right? wink

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I'm not quite sure I understand your questions. What exactly is it that you want the gov't to do in order to create jobs? I mean, this isn't their cup of tea, what jobs are we talking about, how would these jobs be created? Please explain to me what and how immediate and long lasting jobs are to pop up magically.

Robbi

The heating and cooling industry is both natural gas and geothermal these days, in other words most companies do both. My company does both. No jobs lost there, but more created. It is expected these days for a technician/installer to know a little something of Geothermal heating, they even teach it to us as part of my 2 year course.

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How can the government encourage job creation?

Several senators have expressed interest in providing small businesses with tax incentives if they hire new employees, and tax incentives if they expand their businesses.

This isn't magic - it's mostly common sense.

If we want businesses to hire more people, make it worthwhile for the business to do so.

Here's another idea - instead of paying people unemployment to not work, and to basically sit on their asses drinking beer all day, why not make it mandatory that in order for them to receive their free money unemployment pay they must become 'interns' at some small business, and learn something about business?

Lastly, put all of this talk about 'cap & trade' on hold until we have some industry to 'cap & trade' with... because at the current rate we're going all of the industry that creates 'global warming' is warming the skies over Mexico.

Immediate action takes place when there is incentive to act. wink

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Finally... someone in California has come to their senses.

They are making an environmental protection 'exemption' to build a new stadium, create jobs, and attract business to the state.

Barack, can you hear me now, lol??? wink

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The Global Warmers agenda is seeping out slowly but surly. The real objective is something out of George Orwell.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.244057bd1b30448115575c2187e68681.141&show_article=1

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYLmLW4k4aI
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Updated November 17, 2009

EPA Employees Silenced for Criticizing Cap and Trade

by William La Jeunesse FOXNews.com

When Zabel and Williams released a video on the Internet expressing their concerns over the Obama administrations plans to use a cap and trade program to fight climate change, they were told to keep it to themselves.

Laurie Williams and husband Alan Zabel worked for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for more than 20 years, and they know more about climate change than most politicians. But when the couple released a video on the Internet expressing their concerns over the Obama administrations plans to use cap-and-trade legislation to fight climate change, they were told to keep it to themselves.

Williams and Zabel oppose cap and trade -- a controversial government allowance program in which companies are issued emissions limits, or caps, which they can then trade -- as a means to fight climate change.

On their own time, Williams and Zabel made a video expressing these opinions.

"Cap-and-trade with offsets provides a false sense of progress and puts money in the pockets of investors," Zabel said in the video. "We think that these restrictions might not be constitutional," he said.

Their bosses in San Francisco approved the effort by Williams and Zabel to release the tape, but after an editorial they wrote appeared in the Washington Post, EPA Director Lisa Jackson ordered the pair to remove the video or face disciplinary action.

Specifically, the administration's chief environmental official did not want Williams or Zabel mentioning their four decades with the EPA -- time spent studying cap and trade.

"The people who understand the problems with the cap and trade with offsets bill are not being heard," Williams told Fox News.

The EPA issued a statement saying it welcomes free expression provided employees adhere to ethics rules. The agency reportedly doesn't object to the content of the video but requires Williams and Zabel to make it clearer that they are speaking for themselves and not the EPA.

But some Republicans on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee want an investigation into what if any -- regulations Zabel and Williams violated.

Critics argue the action contradicts the president's support for open government.

"It's censorship," Jeff Ruch, Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, told Fox News.

"If the Obama administration believes in transparency it is precisely in these cases they need to prove it."

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