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Sometimes even more than two jobs. The average glass worker receives $15.00 per hour... unless they are union, and then they receive $57.00 per hour. In this example three (3) Americans could be employed by eliminating the union waste.

Create jobs for Americans... buy NON-UNION.

What's better... one person having a job at $16.00 per hour, or two people having jobs at $8.00 per hour?

If we want more jobs for more Americans (and we do) non-union will be best.

Interesting question you posed... buying a Chinese made product will be the exact same product no matter what the employee moving, stocking, selling, the product is getting paid, right?

It may become affordable to make products here again.

I like the joking nature of your post... but truly - do you see things happening any other way regarding unions? Union members should have higher paying jobs so other Americans can remain unemployed? Do you think unions are good for American jobs?

I don't know anything about the 'boogie man' but you will be hard pressed to make any logical explanation about how unions help American jobs. In fact - I challenge you to try.

I think you are wrong. Time will tell.

(Good recap of union history though, for those who might not have know all of that.)

I have yet to see any substantial argument otherwise. Any comments?

Help create jobs for America - support non-union operations!

Union members threaten physical violence (terrorism) on anyone who 'volunteers' to work for less wages than the union workers earn. Union members block industrial plant entrances, armed with baseball bats, refusing access to any non-union people who wish to work.

Freedom and basic rights have been severely curtailed here in the USA under the guise of unionism.

My suggestion to you, politely, is that you perhaps do some research on how unions operate, and the wages they demand, here in the USA before you enter any addition input. Just a suggestion, no offense intended in any way.

Sweeping layoffs of government employees are needed to prevent New York going bankrupt, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Thursday.

Bloomberg, who is in tense negotiations with municipal workers' unions, said an extra 7,000 jobs would have to go unless major reductions are made in employee benefits.

"We cannot continue. Our pension costs and health care costs for our employees are going to bankrupt this city," he said in comments broadcast on NY1 television.

Bloomberg, running for a third mayoral term at the end of this year, said that proposals from unions so far were "nowhere near what is adequate."

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The union assholes would rather see 7,000 fewer jobs than a reduction in their wages/benefits.

Assholes. No other name for them but self-centered assholes.

--- Do any of you who support unions feel that all jobs should be unionized?

--- Why... and/or why not?

(I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said "Please don't display my American flag on your foreign car... buy American made!" And there was a United Auto Workers emblem below it.)

Please provide me some logical reason why I should support a union person's high wages, when it means the product is going to cost ME more money? They aren't overpaying for my services in return.

tck beachbum - I understand where you are coming from. I was there too, once.

Think of it this way: If an American union auto worker makes $25 an hour, imagine how cheap the automakers could sell the cars if they could have someone build them for $10 a day! Oh, wait. That's right. Now they build them in Korea and Mexico for next to nothing, and have the prices come down? You can buy a union built car made by American's for a relatively small percentage more than a Korean, or the same price for one made in Mexico! The people you should have a problem, my friend, are the greedy CEO's making millions, not the American workers making $40-50K.

By the way, I am not even a union employee.

Take care

The questions still remain for anyone wishing to apply some intelligent thought:

--- Do any of you who support unions feel that all jobs should be unionized?

--- Why... and/or why not?

--- If some Americans are enjoying union wages & benefits, shouldn't all Americans?

I can't say I support "unions", I support the idea that people need more protection than just the option to find another job.

I feel that all jobs should have minimum protections that are actually enforced, fairly.

I think all people and animals everywhere should enjoy union wages and benefits.

More realistically, I think every person on this planet should be worth the same "wage" for the same job, and I do not approve of corporate shell games, hopping around trying to take advantage of people in the poorer countries until they develop enough to demand a good wage.

No way to compete with countries that pay their workers several dollars a day. And we should not do business with them without tariffs.

Screw globalization.

(I think high wages should be available for people worldwide, I think ALL people in all countries should be in a union, and all people should be paid at least $35,000 per year to start - everyone, everywhere. But - I also think my wishes are impossible. Just for the record though, I'd love for it to happen.)

Perhaps should minimum wage be raised to a higher level so that all Americans are 'unionized'..?

(I know that executives and management can be fired at the drop of a hat if a company doesn't have the money to pay them (or overpay them as the case almost always is... lol), but it appears union contracts are preventing the automobile companies (and other companies) from reducing payroll expenses in times of a poor business climate.)

My main contention with unions is that all Americans can't be in the union, and therefore it puts the majority of Americans at an economic disadvantage... yes, no?

So.. could a higher minimum wage in the USA, for ALL Americans, be the answer?

"So.. could a higher minimum wage in the USA, for ALL Americans, be the answer?"

That's an idea. I don't see the business community going for that, though...

I think we're in for surprisingly unpleasant times unless we get really lucky. Shouldn't have had to depend on luck...

The business community will be absolutely against the idea of a higher minimum wage because we are in a global economy now, and the global economy is unfortunately a reality. Americans are accepting the lower prices offered by foreign country 'cheap' labor when Americans purchase non-American made goods, this is also an unfortunate reality. Americans are 'speaking' with their dollars.

(I realize most people reading this thread might target 'ME' as the problem because 'I' suggest buying non-union made products, but I am not the problem for suggesting the idea and discussing it here. I DO NOT like the situation we are in as a nation, I feel a PARAMOUNT need to bring back manufacturing in some form. My ideas and suggestions do nothing to create or solve any problems, we can only discuss things here. All frustrations aside, we're not important enough to make any decisions. It's all just interesting talk.)

I like discussing ideas and concepts that will benefit ALL Americans, and I see currently view unions raising prices for MOST Americans, at the union member's benefit.

-- What about the little guy who can't join the union?

-- Should he suffer economically so the union members can make more money than him?

-- Should the guy who is willing to work for $12.00 per hour be stopped from doing so by a union?

-- Should the non-union guy remain unemployed so the union members can earn more $$...?

(Good discussion, thanks. )

History is a guide to navigation in perilous times. History is who we are and why we are the way we are.-David C. McCullough:

The often repeated saying that those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them has a lot of truth in it. But what are 'the lessons of history'? The very attempt at definition furnishes ground for new conflicts. History is not a recipe book; past events are never replicated in the present in quite the same way. Historical events are infinitely variable and their interpretations are a constantly shifting process. There are no certainties to be found in the past.-Gerda Lerner

Remembering why unions were important puts into perspective that in moderation, they are a good thing. I agree, that most of them nowdays are really powerful, and screw the non union worker. I agree that it does drive up the cost of products. HOWEVER, In my opinion...and again, opinions and assholes are the same...A good union along with labor laws, keeps greedy employers from turning us all back into sweat shop workers. A neccesary evil in our society. The problem is most unions are too powerful. SO, we need to look at ways to keep the unions in check, not do away with them completely. That's my opinion and i'm sticking to it!!!

A higher minimum wage is definitely not an answer to any problems we have. It's useless. What about free will and agreeing to do a job for "X" amount and then doing that job. If you feel you're underpaid and under appreciated.....move on, find another job.

Katie....you'd have to define "sweat shop worker". In this day and age Americans are so spoiled in the work place they couldn't do "sweat shop" labor if they had to. Do you mean like only work eight hours, with a lunch and two other breaks taken at the exact time it's called for?......LOL.....As a self employed person in the construction industry I have days like that......then I have days that are 12-14-15 hours maybe with lunch and a cigarette when you can catch one.....If I want the reward at the end of the job I have to do what is necessary to accomplish the job......pretty simple stuff we've forgotten.......

I am pretty focused on the present day problems and present day solutions.

Sweat shop workers? That's really reaching down deep for an example, lol.

Anyone caught mowing a lawn without a union card, or caught mowing a lawn for less than $35.00, will be considered as having crossed the picket line, will be considered a union 'scab', and will be dealt with by union members wielding baseball bats and union signs.

Now, consider the exact same scenario with everyone who paints houses, washes cars, rings up your order at the supermarket, or does any job in society.

This is the union way.

Most respectfully, tell me what is good about this way?

Of course, that "way" has nothing to do with the original intent of the union.

I don't fault the concept of unions, I fault union management, and automotive management for being so repressive they made employees feel unions were necessary.

Now let's fast forward to present day...

I still pose the following questions about unions:

-- What about the little guy who can't join the union?

-- Should he suffer economically so the union members can make more money than him?

-- Should the guy who is willing to work for $12.00 per hour be stopped from doing so by a union?

-- Should the non-union guy remain unemployed so the union members can earn more $$...?

-- Should we pay more for good & services so union members can benefit from our $$...?

Once again - it's all good discussion, I just can't see many positive reasons for unions today, other than more $$ for the union members.

Someone please explain the benefit of unions for our society.

It is MUCH easier for a company to pay a pre-established flat rate for some imported number of shoes (product), allow management/ownership to then market & sell the shoes (product) strategically , and allow management/ownership to reap the just $$ rewards of their creative enterprising. It is the owners company, no one else's.

I believe the outsourcing of jobs trend will go on at least until workers realize that they are workers and that they are not management or owners. My own experience in the workplace has been that I either accept my position as a worker, or, I do what is necessary to become management/owner.

Faced with the choice of paying a pre-established flat rate for imported product, versus producing the product here in the U.S.A. using workers who think they should have a say in how the company is run is not a hard business choice - import the foreign goods, every time.

You're not gonna see some Chinaman or Mexican standing in front of a business holding a union sign, stopping work... they WANT to work. I'm not convinced Americans want to work... most Americans demand a (non-deserved) share of the profits.

Just my opinions and observations. No right or wrong answers, we'll see what develops.

Yes unions were a big factor in getting most if not all the labour laws into effect in the past, but with the big money they donate to whom evers political campaign, what would stop them from regressing and losing all those laws if there was nobody to oppose them? If unions were gone would they abolish some if not all those laws? Just a thought.

As for the little guy who can't join the union, only from what I have seen, there isn't a job opening, or he didn't have the work ethic to be employed. But I am only talking about the automotive industry here, nothing else as its the only area I have any experience. Its the company who is hiring him and once hired he is in the union.

And I know, being from a plant that builds GM vehicles, but is a transplant owned both by GM and Suzuki, that we have a different contract then regular GM workers and make between $2-$3/hr less. we also use the Most system to load our jobs to a max of 95% so we have a recovery time between vehicles. I like it as it shows we are working, not simply putting in one screw and reading our newspaper and refilling our coffee machine. We aren't allowed to have anything lineside but our tools, but can wear ipods and such as it does keep workers happy and happy workers produce better product, but was nagotiated. Also we have the Toyota plants and Honda plants up here and we make almost the sane wages, the Imports so to speak, actually make a few cents more per hour than we do!! LOL

As for $18/hr for one job or $9/hr for 2, depends on the demand. If two employees are needed, why not hire two, but if benefits are in the mix, its better for the company to hire the one at $18/hr as the benefits for one would be cheaper.

Also if wages were cut for everybody, how would the tax baswe for all the cities and even the country be affected? Would it cause more cuts for funding for other areas that are needed?

Minimum wages are a tough subject. lots of small bizz that are just starting up would be out very fast with a higher minimum wage as they spend so much just getting started up anymore. farming for one, no union, but who the heck is making all the money?? Its the marketing boards who mark everything up!! farmers getting between $3 and $4 for an entire bushell of corn that makes 6 boxes of cornflakes that sell at how much??? Sure there is processing and packaging, but when you pay more for one box then what the farmer gets paid for enough product for 6??

I am in total agreement that unions are too strong, but I don't see union busting as a good thing as someone would have to moderate whats going on with the companies, and it would have to be an outside source looking after this as I said before, all big companies are the biggest donators to all the politicians.

Lastly, should we pay more money for union/American or Canadian products?? I once again can speak only for automotive here, as some of the product is being made in Mexico, I don't see any price cuts from GM on any products made there!! the Chevy Avalanche isn't cheaper that a truck made in a plant in America or in Canada for that matter and why?? Because the bar is set to what people are used to paying and it just increases the profit for the company, and who wouldn't want to make more money??

The current status with GM and Chrysler is bad, but still workable. I have said all along that I would take a cut in pay, some benefits as some are just silly, and moderate pensions. But when you see the upper management throwing money away, its irks me!! I know it was said earlier that upper management can be fired because they are nonunionized is true, but look ate the severence packages they get!!!! Man I would WANT to get fired too!! Fire me and give me over a $1 000 000 severence, and that amount was being kind as I know that Rick Wagner, ex-GM exec was paid $23 000 000 severence and Tommy lasorta from Chrysler got a multi million dollar bonus last year as well for hitting targets for production.

So, good and bad on both sides, its hard to determain where to stand on this, but much has to be done in order to try and gain back the confidence of the North American public.

April 24, 2009: 10:34 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. and Chinese companies will sign over 30 contracts on Monday worth billions of dollars to American businesses, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce said on Friday.

Companies attending the signing ceremony include Fedex , Dell, Lenovo, and China Telecom , the business group said. (Editing by Derek Caney)

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Outsourcing = union busting in 2009.

In my opinion China wins, the USA loses. I hope we wake up before it is too late. These products should be manufactured here in the USA.

Low paying non-union jobs are 1000% better than no jobs.

The union is going to implement drug testing of members, record and address lateness issues, record and address days where union members call off, provide help/counseling for those with alcohol problems, encourage health/fitness programs, and focus on QUALITY work output.

In short, his union's message to the company is that when you have union employees you have quality workers, self governing, and very beneficial to the company.

I LIKE IT. That's a win-win situation.

The union wants to get rid of the notion that all of its members are fat, dumb, stoned/drunk, uneducated, and only out to make a buck.

There was also talk of stock options instead of pay increases. Just imagine the work productivity increase if everyone was working toward maximizing company profits.

Sounds good on paper, let's see if implementation takes place.

Kinda where I'm at on the issue.........

gtr - wasn't that clear?

(Robbi - to be honest... it sounds too good to be true. Good place to start though. )

Can the foxes guard the henhouse without eating the chickens?

By Peter Whoriskey

Washington Post Staff Writer

Friday, May 8, 2009

The U.S. government is pouring billions into General Motors in hopes of reviving the domestic economy, but when the automaker completes its restructuring plan, many of the company's new jobs will be filled by workers overseas.

According to an outline the company has been sharing privately with Washington legislators, the number of cars that GM sells in the United States and builds in Mexico, China and South Korea will roughly double.

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Gosh golly gee, Clem, I wonder why GM is doing that?

And BTW tck, I think I understand where you are coming from about unions.... I think im beginning to notice some union mentality where I am working (such as people thinking they are too good to work outside their job descriptions, lateness, and such) and what's worse is that the department manager not only appears to be enabling it but seems to be spearheading it. Dont get me wrong, I'd love union benefits but I couldn't handle being a prisoner of a union contract.

(Actually I don't wonder at all, I know why - labor costs, lol.)

How long will it be before Clem, Claude, and Bucky (all proudly wearing their union shirts) figure it out?

Have fun fighting over those pizza delivery jobs boys. Be sure to relate your union experiences when things get really, really bad financially. Tell the pizza shop owner you want a 'voice' in how the pizza shop does business or you won't work there anymore, lol.

It is unbelievable how brain-dead and short-sighted America's so-called 'workforce' became over the years. Unreal.

He said the union guys would laugh & joke about how much fun it was gonna be if/when they went out on strike again.

I guess those days are gone forever.

(Seems these days the majority of union employees work for the government in some form... police, teacher, fireman, etc., do these public employees need unions to protect them from the greedy nasty taxpayers? )

Let's watch them try to provide everything for GM that they want other companies to provide, and show a profit.

Paid vacations, family leave, workman's compensation, retirement packages, health insurance, sick days, and taxes.

Mark my words - if the government owns GM, taxpayers dollars will forever be needed to keep GM in 'business'.

Financial Obamacide.

(Buying union goods is only good for the people in the union, not you & me.)

The majority of union members now work in some form for the government.

These workers need to be protected from abuse by the greedy robber-baron taxpayers, lol!

Seriously folks... it is time to wake up. Why do government workers need a union? (Answer: to suck money from the taxpayers - NO OTHER REASON).

Think about it.

Yes, unions have out-lived their usefulness. Today most (not all) workers in non-union environments enjoy at least some of the protections that unions provide. In some jurisdictions, I'm sure improvements must be made; however, unions are doing more harm than good.

No one is talking about Nissan, Toyota, Honda or any of the other "import" marques who manufacture vehicles in North America. Why? Because they are efficient operations running non-union shops and turning out superior products.

And lest we hear the "buy American" cry, it should be pointed out that these plants are using American (and Canadian where applicable) labor, parts and raw materials. Why buy a GM or Chrysler to feed the unions? People will be doing everyone a favor by turning away from these dinosaurs and leaving them to their death throes.

The Boston Globe newspaper is going to be the next victim of union nonsense.

Instead of worrying about 1 $30 per hr union worker vs 2 $15 per hr non union worker, dont you think its time for CEO's/CFO's to get a cap on their income levels ?

Last i checked, a person making 30 per hour STILL has to struggle with medical bils/morgage...ect...But in all honesty, when is someone making 15mil ( including stock and options) EVER going to need that kind of cash?

40 room house with 5 car garage? Little overboard if you ask me, especially seeing how these very same individuals are the ones SENDING the jobs overseas.Do they care if the company they run employs non-union members or union members? Nope. They'll just relocate the company to a labor market that pays out 1000% less then in the US. for the same product.thus increasing the company's profit and reducing its costs....thus making that CEO THAT much richer.

the problem isnt the bottom, fixing finance and the issues with it starts at the top.

Union or otherwise, until there is a revolution in how top company members and board members are payed, the fact is that the "worker bee" gets screwed no matter if you're in a union or not.

1 person incharge of 1000 employees = 20 mil per year, yet the 1000 employees are grossing (average) 5mil, with benefits and such. Where is the balance in that? It doesnt matter if you're in a union or non-union work area. Until you all see that the average CEO's pay ( since the 80's) has increased 1700%, compared to a raise in min wage ( a whopping 4 dollars or so in the same time frame) then you'll understand why manufacturing jobs are leaving the US...being replaced with low-pay service /retail jobs.

Take a look around the next time you're at walmart.

CEO's are shifting their companies production facilities to other countries to maximize their personal profits. Is this good management?

I maximize my personal profit, do you?

Who shouldn't be maximizing their personal profit?

Are companies relocating their production facilities because of CEO pay being too high?

Or do we simply 'wish' CEO's were paid less?

(Americans buy a LOT of foreign produced goods in order to save money (maximize profits), are we all the problem?)

walmart has THE LOWEST overall executive compensation packages for Fortune500 companies

not only that, but... if you look at their stock history for the past 5 years (WAY further back, but we're talking present economy) - you'll see at least ONE stock-split and they pay a good dividend on their stock EACH AND EVERY QUARTER - continuously

yes, the world whines about walmart, some of their non-american made products, etc etc etc... AND the fact that they remain NON-UNION - BUT, (again) these same unions and organizations (many teachers retirement funds, and many many many OTHER retirement funds) COUNT on walmart's stability as a company and a stock to keep their pension funds growing

and personally? I rather enjoy KNOWING that each and every quarter I'll get my walmart stock dividends PAID to me!

Walmart could VERY easily shift to a higher profit company. The mere fact that its a discount/volume seller means that it doesnt make as much profit...but still turns a gradual "you can count on" profit.

Companies are relocating because of the greed in higher end multi-billion dollar corperation members.That combined with low import tarrifs( depending on the goods) make it that much harder for a company to be profitable.

If i was a ceo, would i move to another country that pays its workers LESS, has virtually NO labor laws, and can basically have total ignorance of environmental issues VERSUS, staying in a country that is taxed to hell and back ( unless you are a major company and can afford a DC lobby group), has to abide by labor laws, and usually has to partially pay the outrageous costs of the medical benefits ( a portion).

I think we all know the answer....but i think the answer/problem is much more complex then the typical american understands. Union or non-union wages/workers isnt the issue...not at all.

No tck..i dont maximize my personal profit. If i die tomorrow ( or a meteor kills us all:P) whats the point in having something that you'll never use ? Can i make more money, sure as hell can. Am i making enough to support myself and my lifestyle...sure as hell am. But see...the difference is i place a value in other things besides money and the materialistic things you get. Driving around in a corvette is nice, but why should i have to flash my wad of cash to the public?

Good friends last a lifetime, comic books i bought as a kid...dont. ( well they do cuz i saved em lol) I think the point im making is that the ceo's that care about 1 thing and 1 thing ONLY look at the company they run as a greedy/money grab. I recall a ceo that worked recently during the banking crisis that was payed 15 million for working a total of 10 days, before he was "let go". the 15 mill included severance, and other "dont fire me" clauses. No single person, running any company, anywhere, is worth that kind of money. unless you are curing cancer, or abolishing world hunger.

Greed...money....more money...more greed. these people dont care about non-union or union work. They are just thinking of when their next Tee time is on the local golf course.

Lol and sorry for hijacking your thread tck. I just feel that the question you posed has a problem that is deeper them most people realize.

I see corporate management doing EXACTLY what the stockholders want management to do:

Maximize profits in the world economy. (Otherwise, fire him/her and hire a CEO that will.)

Some people might not like that idea, but maximization of profits is the objective.

Companies aren't moving their production facilities to other countries due to CEO pay.

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I still pose the following questions about unions:

-- What about the little guy who can't join the union?

-- Should he suffer economically so the union members can make more money than him?

-- Should the guy who is willing to work for $12.00 per hour be stopped from doing so by a union?

-- Should the non-union guy remain unemployed so the union members can earn more $$...?

-- Should we pay more for good & services so union members can benefit from our $$...?

Once again - it's all good discussion, I just can't see many positive reasons for unions today, other than more $$ for the union members.

Don't strive to be successful, strive to be of VALUE, because when you are of VALUE, you become successful.

(If you cannot provide for yourself, lean on the union to hopefully provide for you.)

You aren't in a union? Too bad, you're fuc'ked, Obama doesn't give a shit about you.

(Aren't unions great? )

There is at least one big corporation doing things right in America.

Mr. Obama, if I start a new business in Michigan, risking my hard earned dollars, and I spend countless hours becoming successful...

... will you make it easy for a union to hold my company hostage for higher $$ wages?

... will you at some point require my company to spend $$ thousands on health insurance?

... will you require my company to spend $$ thousands on paid vacation for my employees?

You see, Mr. Obama, I just want to hire workers who want to work, pay them for their work, and build up my company.

Why should I risk all of the time & money doing that in Michigan, when I can just build the company in Mexico and know none of the $$ penalties will occur?

Mr. Obama - if you want workers to all have higher $$, health insurance, and paid vacation... why don't YOU pay for it?

(Unions are costing this country a serious number of jobs.)

The union wants to demand extra pay for it's teachers to go into those areas.

(The teachers have a strong union to protect them from you greedy evil abusive taxpayers.)

These union employees need protection from YOU...? Protection from what? Abuse?

Bullshit - it is all a huge scam to get your money, and you are falling for it.

The public service unions, working for the taxpayers, all want early retirement with benefits. They want to retire in their 50's while you work until age 65 to pay for their pension & benefits.

If YOU don't give it to them, with YOUR money, they go on strike against YOU.

(This is all very well documented, no secret. Why do we give it to them?)

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's largest state employees' union voted on Saturday to approve a strike authorization measure to protest furloughs of state workers and pressure state officials to ratify its labor contract.

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The union is going on strike against the taxpayers for not paying more in taxes, lol.

"Raise taxes so we get more money or we'll go on strike...!"

(Tell me again why you think unions are a good idea? )

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LONDON (AFP) - A factory that produces jeans for US clothing retailers Gap and Levi Strauss is illegally dumping chemical waste in Lesotho, posing a major hazard to children, the Sunday Times reported here.

The weekly paper said it had discovered that the plant, operated by Taiwanese firm Nien Hsing, was pouring dark blue effluent into a river used for cooking and bathing.

The paper also alleged that the firm was dumping needles, razors and harmful chemicals at two municipal dumps that attract young children who search for pieces of clothing to sell.

Many of the children worked up to 10 hours per day and complained of ailments that included breathing difficulties, weeping eyes and skin rashes, The Sunday Times reported.

Both Gap and Levi Strauss have ordered immediate investigations, it said.

Levi Strauss said it was "disturbed" by the findings, while Gap said in a separate statement that it had put the factory on notice to improve.

"As soon as we were alerted of these issues, we immediately investigated the situation on the ground in Lesotho, commissioned an independent monitoring organization to conduct its own investigation, and placed one of the factories involved on immediate notice until our investigation is complete," said Dan Henkle, Gap Senior Vice President of Global Responsibility.

"Our primary focus, however, continues to be on the workers and their community," added Henkle in the statement.

"In keeping with our strong and transparent history on any sourcing issues, we will continue to act swiftly, decisively and thoughtfully in doing everything possible to protect the workers at the factories that make our products and the communities in which they live and work."

I see pictures of these union 'goons' wielding baseball bats, threatening to inflict violence on anyone who would cross their 'picket line' to go to work.

I call it terrorism myself, just curious to see what others call it.

(I'd be tempted to stand nearby and shoot the first goon who hit someone with a baseball bat.)

Nope, not ok.

Now, what kind of goon you are going to shoot will depend on luck: a union good or a union-breaker goon. The automotive companies have used goons with clubs for decades. Part of why the unions are so rough: they're dealing with total assholes.

But since they're not in the union, they should be denied their freedom to work?

Interesting concept. Hopefully becoming a short lived concept in today's world.

The auto companies have used goons with clubs for decades? I'm not familiar with that, please explain.

(Just my opinion but they need to all put down the clubs and violence and respect everyone's right of freedom to choose.)

The soldier gets out of the Army.

And the ex-soldier gets beat up by some union guys because he wants a job.

Some people actually feel this is justified? Unions should do this to protect their jobs?

(We're all in real trouble in anyone thinks this is acceptable. )

The decision from Toyota Motor Corp., announced Friday, drew fire from U.S. unions, even as company officials and analysts defended it as unavoidable for money-losing Toyota, following General Motors Corp.'s decision in May to withdraw from the 50-50 joint venture.

Under the decision, Toyota will stop production at its Fremont, California-based New United Motor Manufacturing Inc., or NUMMI, in March 2010, and will move production to its other plants in the U.S., Canada and Japan.

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The California Labor Federation, which groups the state's unions, criticized Toyota's decision as aggravating the slowdown and hurting workers in the state, and urged the company to reconsider.

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Ron Gettelfinger, president of United Auto Workers, also criticized the decision.

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All of the union terrorist/extortionists criticized the decision. Imagine that!

Unions - wake the f*ck up! You've exceeded your purposes!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574376720192072820.html

The import companies that manufacture vehicles in North America are mostly (not all) non-union, paying their emloyees about 1/3 what the union employees get, and the companies are doing it with 1/2 the workforce. In addition, these import manufacturers (not really imports if they're built in North America) are for the most part building better cars than the Big Three.

They figured they'd run the train right off the tracks if that's what the union wanted. GM execs owned the company, better get what they could before it all went away.

Stupid government regulations on how much extra $$ it takes these days to have employees didn't help either.

The U.S. government and unions both encourage the out-sourcing of labor to another country. You just can't hire somebody now for $15.00 an hour without paying out about $5.00, or more, an hour in government regulation costs. And even then the union will hold the company hostage for more $$.

Now the government and unions want businesses to foot the bill for health insurance too, lol. Watch how many more jobs go to Mexico.

Brilliant, lol.

Unions Must Stop Supporting Legislation That Kills Jobs.

Employers cut 216,000 jobs in August. The Employee Free Choice Act will cause another 600,000 jobs to be lost in the first year of passage, which will drive unemployment numbers even higher-- In this economy, we need more job opportunities, not fewer.

As Labor Day approaches, union bosses must put workers first by giving up their quest to pass the job-killing Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA), since there is nothing "free" about it for workers or businesses.

Unemployment has risen to 9.7%, according to new numbers released on Friday, bringing it to the highest level in 26 years. In August alone, employers cut 216,000 jobs. EFCA will cause another 600,000 jobs to be lost in the first year of passage, which will continue to drive up unemployment numbers. In this economy, we need more job opportunities, not fewer.

Despite reports that the Employee "forced" Choice Act (EFCA) is off the table, Congress is still considering this dangerous legislation. And the "compromises" under consideration would "compromise" workers' rights and an employer's ability to grow his or her business.

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Another reason to move business & industry to Mexico or a different country.

Unions are killing job creation in the U.S.A.

People had better wake up soon... unemployment benefits are about to expire for millions of people - this will be an economic DISASTER.

Obama just initiated high tariffs against tires imported from China.

China will retaliate by increasing tariffs on U.S. made goods.

Watch how many jobs are negatively affected here in the U.S.A.

Keep it up, Obama, we'll only be seeing your stupidity for one four year term.

People will soon be begging a republican administration to encourage job growth.

And Obama will probably appoint a 'tire czar' to track illegal tires.

Global economy... free trade...?

*** Encourage a strong work ethic.

*** Realize that unless you own the company you are not the boss.

*** Realize that you were hired to MAKE the company money, not COST the company money.

*** Whatever any union wants, do exactly the opposite.

*** Always strive to better yourself through further education.

*** Obama is paying people to NOT work, he will soon want more of YOUR money for this.

*** Unions are protecting union jobs so some people cannot work.

*** Companies are afraid to expand/hire in the U.S. because of Obama AND the unions.

heh heh heh!

Abuse them how?

There are gov't laws and regulations for safety, discrimination, working hours, etc.

The only things unions do now is demand more money.

If an employee feels he/she isn't being paid enough, that's "abuse"...?

We're all being 'abused' if that's the case.

(home-douche... any further posts of yours that are dumb, moronic, and/or retarded will be deleted.)

SHUT THE F*CK UP... lol.

Make a believer out of me... but SHUT UP UNTIL YOU DO... lol.

I might have to report you to the Center for Diseased Brains.

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Thank you for your co-operation in the matter,

The D.L.O.

I used to be in a union, I learned about all of the ways they create to NOT work.

I believe we could have two (2) jobs for every one (1) union job, and this nation would RISE up.

I don't like Obama because he works for me and he is not doing any work, he's playing.

I am pro-choice so I can't be a republican, lol.

Lastly, and most importantly, whether we like it or not, unions DO NOT encourage business & industry to locate here in the USA. I believe that RIGHT NOW we need to do whatever is necessary to CREATE JOBS and worry about unions LATER. Now is the time to build business & industry... argue about pay when there is some pay to argue about.

With no jobs and no pay no one thrives.

If you have any further union complaints, please see the nearest "kiosk" at your friendly neighborhood Wal-Martski.

(Be on the lookout though, you'll be "reported" now to the KGB and the secret police.)

Mingles is tired of hearing from all of us regarding personal issues.

Nobody will get booted for any reply to a person looking for a fight, which seems to be the case here.

Increase the amount of time students spend in school.

Since I am a HUGE proponent of education I commend Obama for this effort.

Guess who is opposing Obama's idea?

The teachers union, they say no way.

Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_re_us/us_more_school

More education for kids is crucial to the USA's position in the world economy.

Low prices attract American consumers and provide jobs for Americans.

Non-union jobs paying $10.00 an hour EMPLOY 2X AS MANY PEOPLE as union jobs paying $20.00 per hour.

** Why would YOU want to pay higher prices to protect some union person's higher wages?

** Why would you want 1 person unemployed so 1 other person can make 2x as much money?

All of you pro-union folks think about these questions.

Postal workers/ government employees benefits in general cost the us tax payer big bucks.

Companies like Chrysler who pay 30 + and hour and benefits plus full retirement crush the industry.

Now one thing that has to be considered is that the cost of living in some areas is very different from others and the wages must reflect that or no one will afford to live there.

"Why would YOU want to pay higher prices to protect some union person's higher wages?"

Not to protect a union persons higher wage. To keep jobs in this country and keep a standard of quality. I can't find a decent ****ing broom and dust pan in this area.

Rubbermade died and quality with it.

We have a trade deficit. We produce nothing. Until this changes our economy will continue to deteriorate. Germany is known for high quality merchandise. It is a prosperous country. We are known for walmart and mcdonalds, on the fast track to becoming the worlds Tijuana.

Only stock holders will benefit as most companies are vested over seas. that is the key to retirement but not on a walmart salary. It's become tough to find a job that pays more than $12/hour. It is why so many people have no health care. The wage has stagnated not changing in the last 20 years while inflation continues at 3.5%. Now the average wage is dropping.

You seem to be under the impression that if a person just applies themselves things get better. I know plenty of hard working people with degrees who can't find employment. They are working for $10/hour now and can't afford insurance and barely their home.

The opportunity in this country to own a house/car/have insurance and a retirement plan has greatly diminished. It is no longer the reality it once was. It is why everyone lives on credit...plastic supporting the plastic dream that has left this country.

Getting rid of unions would solve nothing. It would provide jobs at $12/ hour not $15 and the stock values would rise. Then the jobs go over seas and the glass workers get a job at walmart.

Assholes. No other name for them but self-centered assholes."

You are correct there. We had a similar situation with a corporation here in wisconsin.

The The company needed the union to make cuts so the company could stay viable and remain in the area. The union nearly force the company to leave and head to one of the southern states. This would not only affect the workers but kill the local economy.

Now, Justify the assholes behavior that took our jobs over sees. It was unpatriotic, and tantamount to treason to this country and it's people. It has crush the economy.

Getting rid of unions IS already solving ALOT, lol.

That's why Wal-Mart is thriving and the union terrorist industries are dying.

I won't purchase union terrorist made goods.

The union jobs will go overseas until Americans will take the jobs at lesser pay than before. And I hope the glass workers work at Wal-Mart stocking shelves long enough to realize they aren't gonna get union terrorist $65.00 an hour wages working with glass anymore! LOL. I'm looking forward to glass being about 85% less expensive.

Let freedom ring! Shut down a union shop today!

(That's just my opinion... along with the millions and millions who shop at Wal-Mart. )

** Do all of the people in other countries all own homes and cars? (No.)

** What makes Americans feel they are all entitled to own a home and a car?

** What makes union people feel they should own homes & cars before other Americans?

Abuse them how?

The printing industry creates more chemical toxic waste than just about any other industry.

When an American magazine reported that California had banned TCE (trichlorethylene) as a known human carcinogen (cancer causing), I reported to upper management that many of the workers at my printing facility were dumping it down the drain directly into the local waste water facility when they were done cleaning press/bindery parts with it. Again because I was taught to have a solution if you point out a problem, I had already contacted a major supplier of undustrial cleaners/solvents and they agreed to send us a 55 gal drum of environmentally friendly product to "trial" at no cost.

End result: I was terminated. Reason? They simply told me I was hired at-will and I was fired at-will.

Later I found out the manager actually took credit for obtaining the alternate product I suggested and was given a meritorious raise for bringing the situation to upper managements attention.

A union would have protected my job, and the lives of untold thousands of people.

How much money is that worth?

This same company America's largest printing company, notoriously nonunion, opened up a new facility in Mexico, sent down dozens of American workers to crosstrain their counterparts, when the training was finished, they terminated each and every one of them.

The last of the American workers at that facilty reported a delapidated flatbed truck now backs up to the facility, onloads 55 gal. drums of waste and disappears into the desert and returns with empty barrels.

Read anything about the NIKE shoe factories in Malaysia? Kids there are willing to work for pocket change to make those hundred and fifty dollar a pair shoes?

Greed, here in America and abroad, whether union based or from management, is the problem.

Might you have possibly overstepped your boundaries and possibly should you have run this idea by management first, before contacting an outside supplier?

I see the conversation as constantly circling back to my question of:

Why do people think one (1) higher paying union job is better than two (2) non-union lower paying jobs?

Why NOT hire two people at $10.00 per hour instead of one person at $20.00 and hour?

I'm relatively pleased with the way things are headed here in the USA. I truly believe for the past decade or so wages have gotten completely out-of-hand. I've always been a hard worker and a money saver, but for a while there I was feeling like I should just blow all of my money, buy stuff on credit, and enjoy materialism like everyone else.

Now the pendulum is swinging back toward conservative spending and wages are experiencing a correction. I think money is going to become more important to a lot of people as spending tightens up. The value of a dollar in hand will experience a 'new' value. People are going to have to start working for a living as opposed to showing up for their entitlement.

That's basically it, the 'new' workplace:

Working to earn money vs. showing up for an entitlement.

has anybody seen that movie, i believe the name was 'norma jean'...sally fields.....about the unionization of textile mills?? i knew 'norma'.........she did a lot for the textile industry..........it was once a nightmare of a place....i also worked for dan river mills...in danville, va....i was a loom operator, as was norma.

(when i knew her, she did not look like sally fields...lol)...........anyway, last year, they demolished dan river mills...........at one time, everyone in danville worked at dan river mills..........when i worked there, we went on strike three times....union wanted higher wages........they just closed the mill and sent the work overseas=no wages..........bottom line...........the union killed a town.......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091029/ap_on_bi_ge/us_boeing787_plant

Although the coal workers march did little for their own cause, it did give rise to the steelworkers union in America.

Which brings me to my point, if anyone wants to make a case against unions, they need look no further than the United Steelworkers of America.

I had several Uncles working in the steel industry in Gary Indiana in the 50's and 60's. I can still hear them regaling my Father with stories of working 3 months on and 3 months off, being paid exorbitant salaries in the process. The well documented steel workers union excesses and refusal to renegotiate their contracts and deal with a changing world/global marketplace found them closing factories faster than the Japanese could build them in the 70's.

Back to the worlds largest printer. The former CEO of this monolithic enterprise left to head up one of the "baby" Bells when they were forced to break up their "monopoly". After a year it was determined by the board that he was doing a less than satisfactory job. As I recall, his "golden parachute" was reported in the neighborhood of $25 million dollars. $25 mil for failing and being fired. Not bad, not bad at all.

I'll be honest with you, I'd be tempted to screw a whole lot of peons in a whole lot of ways for a whole lot less money. Not that I would mind you, but I'll admit to at least being tempted.

Let's face it, there are a whole lot of intelligent, well schooled business grads who are greedy, selfish and prone to moral corruption in an effort to make the almight buck as they climb the corporate ladders of America. I dare say there are more than a few. That too is human nature, and nothing about the direction of modern society will probably ever change that.

There are without a doubt, a lot of good people who wear white shirts and ties in America. But their efforts, if any, in making determinations that benefit the economic status and welfare of the common worker is tantamount to professional suicide in the corporate environment.

The unions of today for the most part are neither good nor bad. What they are is a necessary evil. The same problem with the unions can be found in corporate America. Unions aren't bringing down America, greed is.

There are no easy answers, but I would like to offer a simplistic, if not impractical, suggestion. If it were the stated daily goal of every worker and company around the globe to constantly make the world a better place for ALL the children in it, that is adequate food, proper shelter, current medicine, and structured education while eliminating all forms of corruption, weapons and pollution in the process of doing so, maybe the lessons we would impart on the adults of tommorrow would bear a different fruit.

Just saying.....

FYI regarding the alternative solvent... remember I wasn't apprising them of a more ecofriendly alternative, I was reporting to lower management that we were, and had been dumping cancer causing chemicals in the drains for years. I was doing so in an effort to address a serious concern. If I hadn't read about California totally banning it, I might have never known myself. Initially management denied it, even telling me that the product we were using wasn't the same as reported in the magazine. In house we called it Tri-eth, lazily dropping the chlor. I had to go to the OSHA folder mandated by law, and pull the hazardous materials sheet to prove to them what I already knew, that I was in fact correct. The sheet stated that we needed "special gloves", "special respirators" and even special clothing when handling this material. Mind you, this company had already paid a suggestion bonus to a coworker for his otherwise ingenious invention, using an air nozzle blowing over a quart container (the venturi effect) of TCE to create a cleaning "fog". The fact that people in his work area reported burning skin, watery eyes, and sore throats was disregarded. Anyone who works around paper regularly knows about the frequency of paper cuts. It was well known that when this stuff was dabbed on a bleeding wound, it acted like styptic powder and the wound immediately "dried" up.

I wasn't fired for circumventing management, I reported my concern to my immediate supervisor.

My reason for mentioning this to them wasn't to make an issue of chemical disposal or imply a threat to report it. Despite almost a decade of superior work results, an unblemished personnel folder, untold commendations and numerous work citations, even after being considered for management (I respectfully declined), despite playing a critical role in implementing a HEI** (high employee involvement)system in our plant, I was fired "at-will". No reason required, simply at-will. It cost me my home and eventually my family. My only error in 9 plus years was reporting that we were probably killing a lot of people, albeit inadvertently, and not for suggesting an alternative solvent.

**HEI was the company's response to a perceived attempt to form a local union. It failed without upper management's support.

Unions are in place now to demand higher pay, no other reason.

Why are police departments unionized? Fire departments? Local, county, state and federal workers?

Are they concerned YOU will 'abuse' them? They work for YOU... lol.

I'd just like to see business & industry come back to this country and I think fewer unions would help.

Right now a lot of people need jobs, and quite frankly - unionism does NOT encourage more jobs.

(Bring the unions back 10 years from now when there's full employment.

and getting a raise is a dream never to be fulfilled.and most i know would consider middle class to be rich,comparetivly at the very least.i wouldn't know what to do with myself if i made 15 dollars an hour.

SEATTLE Boeing Co. will open a second assembly line for its long-delayed 787 jetliner in South Carolina, expanding beyond its longtime manufacturing base in Washington state to take advantage of economic incentives and a nonunion work force.

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A non-union workforce. Get the idea? Jobs, jobs, jobs, for the hardworking middle class.

And likewise prevent stock prices concerns from moving jobs over seas.

Forget the unions.

Why should a company keep it's business here paying people 6.50/hr wages when they can

get $.50 - $1.00/hour workers over seas? What is the incentive? There is no law.

Miro Aluminum left my home town not because of union disputes, It was strictly a profit decision. Just like with rubber maid. The Newel company/walmart. They went to mexico and now the mexicans are crying because thier jobs went to china.

The unions had noting to do with that move or any other the newel company has made. To suggest so means someone has not done their homework. Newel is hardly the only company to engage in such acts of treason. It's just by far the biggest.

Can unions be a problem...without a doubt. Our own government employees are the poster children for the problem. However the unions did not take the jobs out of this country.

Especially where NEWEL is concerned. Again to suggest so mean someone has not done their homework.

To suggest because a company can produce a cheaper product that they are going to pass that savings on to the consumer is naive. That's not good business. Why should they? There is no incentive.

You've said so yourself tck. You don't deserve anything. No one does. How hard you work doesn't matter. What is the incentive to care about the welfare of another or this country? I will trade my stocks, go where the money is. **** this country. It will take care of itself.

And If it doesn't why should I care? I am invested in multinational companies. Money has no borders. When the american public finally gets off their high horse so I can reach my profit goals perhaps I'll do business here. Although I like health care. Americans spend more money per capita on health care than any other country. There's good profit to me made in the sick and dying, the brilliant business model here is to TREAT the ill not cure them...no profit there. LONGGG term care Home health care and nursing homes are a hoot! Dirt wages and big profits. Me likey.

So, unions are not a problem for me. They don't exist where my money is.

What happens to this country is not my problem.

Again, pre christmas walmart stock is a sure thing. Getting a little late to buy now though. If they ever did pay beny's and raise wages I would have to invest elsewhere.

Where the walmart lackies go is not my problem.

Your thinking & reasoning is very superficial and 'surface based... with little or no depth.

** You have no idea if a union was threatening to move into newel's facilities.

** Is it 'treason' for the consumers to purchase newel China-made products?

** Or... did newel do exactly what the consumers wanted newel to do (lower costs)?

All of you people who think businesses are here to provide YOU jobs are foolhardy & mistaken.

Businesses are concerned about what the consumers want, and what increases profits.

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"Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co. "blew a wonderful opportunity" for a no-strike guarantee of more than 10 years when it chose South Carolina over its Washington manufacturing hub for a new Dreamliner assembly line, the lead negotiator for the machinists union said.

The union was willing to extend its current four-year contract by another eight years, ensuring no strikes through at least 2020, to secure the 787 work, Rich Michalski said. Instead, Boeing shut down talks two days before its Oct. 26 board meeting and announced Oct. 28 that it would open a plant in the southeastern U.S. state, the first time it has built a commercial-aircraft assembly line outside the Seattle area.

Workers at the parts plant in South Carolina voted last month to drop their membership in the machinists union. Unlike Washington, South Carolina is a right-to-work state, meaning employees there cant be forced to join a union.

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Boeing simply said "fvck you" to the union and went where there are no unions, South Carolina.

It seems that people in South Carolina want jobs, they want to work, and they know who the boss is.

The state of Washington's union terrorist jobs loss is South Carolina's freedom workers gain!

I say, congratulations Boeing, welcome to to a free American state!

Like I keep saying, Who is going to buy your products or services when nobody is working? The government is not going to carry everyone along forever. With the wages our companies pay for overseas labor, they don't have much of a chance selling their products and services overseas. Tck, if everyone jumps on your bandwagon, it will be a long time before ANYONE in the US makes any money... That includes businesses. Businesses have only been more profitable in recent months because they have been hemorraging jobs to cut costs..... They have been going too far with it too. Their only goal was to lure investors, who will soon become wise to it if they haven't already. When that happens they will pull out of their investments and then where will businesses be? Unemployment will be too high and they will not be receiving enough in capital investments to make any measurable amount of money. They keep doing what they are doing, a lot more businesses are going to fail. In the US, businesses do not typically look any further into the future than the end of the next quarter. Overseas companies often look a lot further, and we wonder why they are kicking our asses.

The businesses move the company production facilities to where they can make money.

Your notion that everyone is going to run out of money and no one will be able to buy products is ridiculous. There will always be people in the USA with money, the money is just going to go to the states/cities that want to WORK, lol.

Stupid people won't have as much money for a while - they'll just be buying generic products and eating mac 'n' cheese until they wise up and realize that workers need to WORK and managers/owners need to run the company. Look at the uneducated union do-do birds in Detroit who thought they had a say in how the company should be run - they're all crying now because they should have been working when they were jacking the company around stupidly instead. Currently they are begging for employment while proudly wearing their union jackass shirts, lol.

The smart people, the people who are willing to WORK, and the people willing to move to find work, will always have money to buy stuff.

gtr - my 'bandwagon' suggests that workers work, and they shut up while they're getting paid to work, lol, as opposed to mouthing off about unions, strikes, and finding ways to NOT work.

To coin an old phrase - there are too many chiefs and not enough indians.

A full day's work for a full day's pay... why is that such a foreign concept?

This is not correct. The people who are working are not in this county and the money goes to stock holders. In the next 50 years China and India are where the money is. 3 billion largely untapped consumers with new found wages. Why should a company move back? Why would they? Our population growth is stagnant. We have reached the limit of our usefulness in the business model. a world without unions fixing the problem is a pipe dream

The biggest thing people are missing is that companies we think of as American are actually no longer American nor are they acting with American interests in mind. They are country neutral and answer to no one. The financial whores of the world. Where and who they do their business is not the point, as long as the cash is on the nightstand.

Become and investor have no ties. Home is where the money is.

Become and investor have no ties. Home is where the money is.

(Until then we can agree to disagree.)

People who don't know how to work, and people who must rely on unions will run out of money though. I'll agree with that point. The lazy people will perish. In the beginning they will be supported with unemployment, then they will pitied while being clothed and fed. Then they will be expected to work doing something, anything, just to support their dead weight.

Dumb bastards who want to wear clothing & accessories to piss off their employers will rapidly become extinct, jackasses union employees who think they should manage company policy will disappear, fvckups in the workplace will end up in the street, etc. People will be truly appreciative to have jobs.

Smart people eager & willing to work will prosper.

A true sense of American workmanship & worker pride will re-evolve.

I firmly believe in American free enterprise, creativity, and entrepeneurial spirit. It built this country, and it can re-build this country. But it won't tolerate & support slackers.

Watch this growth happen from the sidelines... or WORK and be a successful part of it.

Hang on tck, I'm with you. I want to make money it's just that here in the US is no longer the place to do it. As I said, walmart is the future. When walmart sets the standard for wages I will make plenty. By that time Chinese and Indian wages will surpass our own and we will be exporting metric tons of consumer goods. The pre Chinese and Indian holiday booms will be key buy in times. Products that fail routinely are great for stock prices. Just wait till these two developing countries can begin to afford health care......Cha ching!!

Not correct, People who invest wisely will prosper.

Any flunky can work. Just another warm body. I own them nothing.

(The American public 'votes' with their dollars... and 100% of us show up for that election.)

Smart people eager & willing to work will prosper. When the time is right company owners like me will hire them. But they have to be eager & willing to work FIRST.

WE will survive.

This is exactly the kind of pep talk the reps at walmart store rallies give.

It give the lackeys a sense of hope, Brilliant PR. Some day when Newel moves back to the US the unions will be illegal and wages will be set from manufacturer through distributor and profits will be much more manageable. What I am truly looking forward to is when we pay the worker in Walmart bucks and provide cheap local housing.

Unless you can get them to work for under $10/ hour 6-7 days a week with no benefits why should I invest in your company? There is far more profit to be made elsewhere. You don't make the grade.

I want employees who are eager & willing to work, without giving the company any bullshit!

(I suspect people will be eager to work as 'temps' soon... no benefits. )

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

Umm these people? What was your point?

My fellow Americans.

You judge people on the way they dress & look? I suppose you set the standard for appearance now?

Shame on YOU.

You can be taken over to make a multinational company more robust and the jobs can be outsourced so I and others can make more money. Why should investors and the American public stand for your fees when a larger company based over sees, perhaps a subsidiary of Newal could outsource at a fraction of the cost? The American public wins, Investors win...It's a win win.

One nation, Under Walmart, with cheap products/services and national health care for all.

Ah...the free market. It's beautiful. Almost makes me tear up.

Some Ohio and Michigan cities are seeing the morning day labor pools again, where workers who want work for the day gather at a particular street corner, and they are employed as temps for the day with no benefits. Good for the economy? No. A good indication that people are willing to work without unions and/or benefits? Yes.

And I HIGHLY agree that the free market is the ONLY way to go.

The temp services are another great money maker.

People at a disadvantage are good for business. However this is small peanuts.

The real money is in outsourcing industries. On our current trend we could achieve 25% outsourcing of American jobs. This means great prosperity for wise the stock holder in the coming years. China and India have such room for economic growth. When they're workers demand too high wages and get to up on their high horse then the US workers should be humbled enough to accept the privilege to work at a low wage. Until they come to their senses we will continue to outsource. It's good business.

Oh but this is GOOD for business. The global economy is what matters. Our "counrty" is of no consequence. Money has no borders. It has no loyalties but to business itself. Global industry is a virtual country unto itself and all nations pander to it's needs. Wave taxes, human rights, loosen environmental laws and use the public's money to bale them out. What a great gig. A virtual nation without rules. Buy stock and become a citizen of the new world order, it's the only way you have a say.

(Are you seeing things the way they are, or the way you WANT things to be?)

Business is the lifeblood of this country.

Show me things that discourage business and I'll show you what hurts the economy and the job market.

I used to think the people were. But at current wages ungrateful US citizens have lost their viability in todays successful business model. That's why the savy have sought new blood. Low wages and the ability to create your own demand is the lifeblood of successful business. The country is not important, Nor are the people. Their just the tool and the medium.

As I said this is a global economy, our nation is of no importance, our economy is of no importance. It can tank for a while and It's no biggy because smart companies have divested to more profitable regions. They have no ties or loyalties to any country except for PR purposes. Our value as a consumer country has diminished. Smart business moved elsewhere to unionless, low wage, non benefit, low tax, lax environmental law areas. You can't argue with a reservoir of 3 billion consumers. Not until we make these same opportunities in our country will these businesses seek to invest in the US and employ here. If Americans want jobs it's high time they vote accordingly. Get rid of the things that prevent business from setting up shop here. There should be no minimum wage, no unions, No environmental restriction. That kills business. They need tax shelters. What do the people "our country" expect? It's not like business owes them anything. it's about time they wake up and understand how replaceable they are.

(SEIU = Service Employees International Union)

By Capitol Confidential

It has been more than three months since Kenneth Gladney was viciously attacked by SEIU employees. The assault wasnt an accident, but a deliberate attempt to intimidate and silence tea party activists and town hall protesters. The morning of the Gladney assault, the White House presented to Senate Democrats a battle plan to quell the protests. The White House advised Democrats punch back twice as hard. Gladney was the first casualty.

The Gladney beating took place at a forum on Aging, sponsored by Rep. Russ Carnahan. Carnahan had been caught flat-footed by earlier protests. This time he was more prepared; the day before the forum, Sara Howard took over as his communications director. Ms. Howard is a veteran leftist activist, holding senior positions with SEIU.

SEIU and partisan hacks like Media Matters have tried to spin away the Gladney beating. They would have you believe a 130 lb diabetic, recovering luekemia patient, picked a fight with men almost twice his size. The police report puts an end to that lie.

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When your father, mother, brother, sister, neighbor, or friend goes looking for a job and gets the shit beat out of them by union thugs be sure to proclaim how much YOU approve of unions.

Unions = organized American terrorists.

Obama and the Service Employees International Union love each other.

Coming soon to a town near YOU...!

To protect them from being abused by... YOU...?

(They work for you, lol.)

Whatever do you mean? Outsourcing is simply good business.

Right?

"The best part is, they get paid either way."

Can't blame them for being smart now can we?

The rest of us are honest..oops errr umm I mean stupid/lazy.

Create jobs for Americans... buy NON-UNION."

We do, we shop at walmart.

The american way.

Finally Some common sense!

Nothing like the private sector to find real solutions to problems.

I see a smiley face in our future.

It will be our nations new symbol replacing the eagle.

One nation, under Newal, with jobs and cheap products for all.

Now tck...me to you. Do you truly believe that nonsense?

I mean it's just not good business. No health care/social security, wages 1/4-1/10 of the US's, huge tax incentives, no environmental nonsense. What do we have to offer business? Honestly?

Business is global. Get used to the idea. There are no loyalties. That's for sentimental dreamers.

The new reality is that the new rulers of this world belong to no nation.

I said it first HERE. Mark my word and you can quote me.

The first Sorento mini-SUVs are rolling off the assembly line at the new KIA motors plant in West Point, GA. The factory, which currently employs 1200, is already having a dramatic effect on the once-struggling economy of this small town 80 miles southwest of Atlanta, once famous for its textile industry. Now, even more jobs are cropping up with supplier companies and support services.

Local officials estimate KIA will pump as much as $6.5 billion into the local economy by 2012, hiring an additional 1200 employees and creating as many as 20 thousand affiliated jobs in Georgia.

As mills closed in the 1980s and 90s, West Point's city center became a virtual ghost town. Today, new shops and restaurants are springing up all over as entrepreneurs seek to benefit from the city's new automotive manufacturing economy.

(Reader's comments: )

"It is amazing that you think KIA's are junk cars...if the US product is so much more better...why do the Koreans stand behind their product for 10 years/100000 miles, and the best I can do outside of Dodge is a 5 year/60000...I own a Hyundai and used to be a die hard American made purchaser...why should I buy an over priced American car just to support the bloated unions and management...who squanderd 1000's of American jobs to stay in power...I love my Hyundai...and I suppose KIA's are just as good...their early cars were very poor quality, but they listened to their consumers, and have made leaps and bounds at quality adjustments...it took them only 10 years when it took the big three 40...I am tired of the unions with their hands out and us tax payers giving them a ride..."

"I agree with most of these comments, auto unions have killed the American auto industry. I have never purchased a foreign named auto in the past, however I will consider purchasing one next year."

"I am 70 years old and never joined a union. My wife had to join the Teachers Union, but hated every waisted penny of it. When is President Obama and all the Democrats going to admit that the unions (all of them) that have caused the fall of most good manufacturing jobs. They caused the outsourceing of jobs, and continue to get subsidies from the tax payers and keep Michigan in poverty."

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My next vehicle will NOT be union made. It's time for the people to take back the jobs in this country.