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nrokinu (this topic's creator)
4/30/2009 10:01:56 AM
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nrokinu (this topic's creator)
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I just got this in an e-mail...if you are a gun owner you might want to check this info out.....

Say goodbye to your guns-eventually.

HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009

Please send this to everybody on your list...

This is Obama gun control by secrecy.

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into The House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act Of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: It is registered, you are fingerprinted, you supply a current Driver's License 0r You supply your Social Security number.

You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must Be reported and costs $25. Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text THIS SITE IS MOST INTERESTING

It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along.

Any hunters in your family - pass this along...

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

(Did Obama promise transparency? It seems his motives are more and more transparent while his methods are hidden in back rooms.)

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

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Cristobalito
4/30/2009 11:24:29 AM
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actually these are myths being perpetuated by pro-gun activists and very probably, the ammunition manufacturers and gun-makers themselves

gun laws are controlled by city, county, state governments - not the fed (with the exception of specific weapons already controlled by the ATF)

the result?

a "run" on guns and ammunition that has resulted in some very very good deals on stock in arms companies and ammunition manufacturing companies

got a little extra money to invest? put it in ammunition and firearms companies (especially ammunition companies)

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gtr420
4/30/2009 4:37:01 PM
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uh.... I thought it was already illegal to possess an unregistered firearm. And I thought you always needed an F.I.D. card to purchase one anyways. I also figured fingerprints were already standard procedure..... Besides this cannot be a bill proposed by Obama, for he is a Democrat and this is a Republican bill, hence HR-45 and not HD-45. Anyway, it sounds to me like they're just federalizing laws that are already enacted in many (if not most or all) states. I still, however, believe that all gun control laws do is restrict ownership of firearms by those who can be trusted and don't really take any guns off the streets and out of criminals hands.
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gtr420
4/30/2009 5:02:26 PM
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A minor correction here: I had been previously misinformed that HR stood for "House, Republican" when I guess it doesn't as the bill's only sponsor happens to be democrat. Nevertheless, the bill has no co-sponsors and has little chance of being adopted according to its summary. One rule of thumb, if the NRA isn't raising a ruckus about it, it probably isn't much of a threat.
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gtr420
4/30/2009 5:05:17 PM
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And Cristo, you have a good point, the gun and ammo makers are probably trying to drum up a surge in gun purchases before the bill would take effect.... just like what happened when Obama got elected.
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Cristobalito
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the 'obama rumors' of having to "register" ammunition has caused such a post-election-day consumer rush to horde ammo that the industry is experiencing shortages...

...and shortages = price increases

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shopstar
4/30/2009 5:59:39 PM
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Yea, one bright spot on the economy for Obama, Maybe take all those closed up auto plants and retool for firearms and ammo. Gotta love a free market economy.
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gtr420
4/30/2009 6:21:54 PM
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actually shop, if the history channel is correct, most machining technology was invented for the purpose of making guns
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shopstar
4/30/2009 6:54:37 PM
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gtr, here are some abbreviations for types of legislation at the federal level. H.R.-House Rep. Bill, S.-Senete Bill, H.J.Res.-House Joint Resolution, S.J. Res.-Senate Joint Resolution, H.Con. Res.-House Concurrent Resolution, S.Con.Res.-Senate Concurrent Resolution, H.Res-House Simple Resolution, S.Res.-Senate Simple Resolution. And there are also abbreviations for different versions of bills to numerous to list here. When I was in High School 90 years ago(after Christo though and Robbie)We had a class required called POD-Problems of Democracy. They don't have it as required now. Not even sure if it is offered as an elective. We learnt all this and more. (I still looked it up to refresh.) And on the "machining technoloy", you are absolutly correct. To cause harm and death and destuction to man and the enviornment has seen the greatest development of technology and the expendature of capital in the total history of mankind. And unfortunatly will continue to be so.
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frckld1
4/30/2009 7:17:49 PM
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Whether it's BS or not, I'm not sure why the rules stated would be so 'oppressive' to any responsible gun owner. It is a weapon that can kill, so what's the problem?

'Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: It is registered, you are fingerprinted, you supply a current Driver's License 0r You supply your Social Security number.' - I certainly hope so. I don't want to be shot by someone that hasn't registered. I don't want to be shot by anybody, but if I were to be shot, I don't want it to be by someone that along with thinking it's okay to kill someone, also thinks they can do whatever they want as far as 'rules' are concerned regarding weapons.

'You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must Be reported and costs $25. Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.' - Again, I certainly hope so. I don't want to be shot by someone that is ill enough mentally to not be able to make a rational decision, particularly when it comes to maiming and killing.

There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. - Again, I certainly hope so. Accidents happen all the time with kids and guns.

'The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs in prison.' - Good. Again, I'd hate to see someones kids die because of the irresponsibility of the parent(s).

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4/30/2009 8:04:24 PM
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this is my weapon, this is my gun, one is for protection, one is for fun. i'm all about the fun. cant take my gun away would be cruel in unusual :P lol
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Ron_092
4/30/2009 9:12:54 PM
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Living in Canada, I've been witness to some ludicrous gun legislation. Currently EVERY firearm must be registered, supposedly to deal with gun crime. After billions have been spent instituting and administering a long-gun registry, not once has it been instrumental in solving a crime.

I know an individual who was an avid collector of antique firearms. One of his prize posessions was an ancient single-shot 11mm Mauser. Because it was chambered for a metallic cartridge, it was subject to the (then) new legislation. . . never mind that commercial ammo for this relic hasn't been available for over a century. The new laws came out and he wound up selling his collection rather than dealing with all the nonsensical BS.

Having said that, I feel that owning a firearm, or being eligible to possess one, should be considered a priveledge and not a right. It makes sense that in order to have a firearm you should be required to meet certain criteria, just as you do when applying for a driver's licence. But the lengths that some governments go to to enact legislation to make it look like they're "getting tough" on gun crime is ridiculous.

We can blame the media. If you believe the papers, gun crime is rampant and its not safe to go outside without a kevlar vest on. The hard stats show otherwise (at least in Canada): guns are used in a very small percentage of violent crimes, but its that small percentage that gets the airplay on the 6:00 o'clock news.

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tck_beachbum
4/30/2009 10:03:23 PM
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During the New Orleans flood disaster the local sheriffs were reportedly demanding, often at gunpoint, that all citizens relinquish their weapons.

When an armed citizen was encountered the citizens were commanded to turn their weapon(s) over to the lawmen.

I often wonder what I would have done in that situation. Damned if you do and damned if you don't?

(I am a firm believer in owning firearms in case of civil unrest (like the New Orleans incident?) - there will NOT be enough police officers available to protect everyone. We will need to fend for ourselves.)

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shopstar
5/1/2009 3:03:57 AM
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Ron,statistics show that a child under 10 has a better chance of drowning in a pool than being harmed or killed with a firearm. It's better "news" though. Gun death front page or lead story on TV, drowning middle pages or local section of paper,and after the commercial break on TV. And maybe we need legislation on swimming pools. Register and evaluate owners.
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Ron_092
5/1/2009 8:19:05 AM
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Right on, Shop. And while we're at it, lets restrict baseball bats, kitchen knives and make all beer bottles out of plastic. We're not in disagreement here. Yes, there should be some controls on firearms possession, but the current crop of draconian laws only makes it difficult for legitimate owners. If someone actually wants to obtain an illegal firearm, no amount of legislation is going to prevent it.
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robbi642
5/1/2009 10:21:13 AM
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Good point Shop.......Why is it that when a kid is shot, all gun owners/criminals/gun manufacturers are brought into play by the media. But, let the kid drown and it's the parents fault for not watching their kids?

We had a thread about this HR45 already. It's a real bill being introduced by the Democrats. I and others in here wrote their Congressmen and Representatives to bitch or ask how they stood on the bill. It doesn't have a chance at passing, because right now we have alot of gun owning Democrats, which is a good thing. However, many times someone with an agenda will propose a bill such as this, that's just outrageous knowing it will be defeated, then come back with a revised version that's less restrictive and get it passed. We have to watch all the time, because ANY new laws on gun control are dangerous. We have enough of them, just enforce those.....

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tck_beachbum
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Pools don't kill people, water kills people.

Water needs to be more strictly regulated in my opinion.

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robbi642
5/1/2009 2:25:55 PM
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Especially A-Salt (assault) water pool.......ban em, nobody really needs one, for what purpose? Just because you can??.......LOL
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shopstar
5/1/2009 2:53:23 PM
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And some one explain to me why does anyone need an olympic sized pool in this day and age. A wading pool is fine.You get wet and cool off. Drained and locked up after every use, have someone coming around checking to make sure and fine those who disobey.
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tck_beachbum
5/1/2009 3:50:39 PM
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I strongly agree with both of the preceding posts.

The only reason for pools deeper than 3 feet would be for people over 3 feet tall to drown in.

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gtr420
5/1/2009 5:47:11 PM
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It seems to me that a lot of states have gun laws containing many if not all the restrictions this bill has. The only purpose seems to be making them federal law. Nevertheless, what we need to do is crack down harder on those who are violating the laws that are already in effect. More laws are not the solution to dealing with people who have no respect for law anyways. I would rather see courts designated specifically to prosecuting unlawful possession of a firearm so that we can get the criminals who use guns in jail quickly pending any other charges they might face. At least that way, those who commit armed robberies and such are not allowed back on the streets because the courts are backed up with less urgent cases. I think former Providence RI mayor Vincent Cianci had the right idea with his "Gun Court" it sent a lot of gunslingers to jail really fast and cleaned the city up.
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nrokinu (this topic's creator)
5/4/2009 2:02:27 AM
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I'm not sure about the gun registering laws in other states but in Nevada it seems to be all about the money. You have to pay a fee to register your gun, then if you intend to get a CCW permit, you have to pay to take a gun safety class and then pay again to get fingerprinted and finally you get to wait for up to 4 months before they mail you your CCW; which is only valid for the registered weapon. If you want to add a second gun to your permit they hit you with more fees. The entire process ends up costing about 200 dollars and alot of time. I'm not sure how long the permit is valid for (I haven't gotten mine yet) but when you have to renew it they hit you for another 70 bucks. There are other fees that might come up during the process as well. I'm sure this has made several people in the state rethink whether or not they care if they are legal gun owners or not just because of the cost and loss of time. Does anybody know the registration/CCW fees for other states or a good site to find that information on?
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shopstar
5/4/2009 2:18:37 AM
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You hit the nail on the head nrokinu, "seems to be all about the money", all "registrations" are just another word for TAX. Cars, boats, bicycles, airplanes, vehicle inspections, titles, ect. Revenue is down in most states, raise the registration fees(TAX!).
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nrokinu (this topic's creator)
5/4/2009 2:24:33 AM
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Sad but true shop....The registration fees here in Vegas are outrageous for some things. I registered my car when I moved here and before going to the DMV I looked up the KBB value of my car to get an idea of how much it was going to cost. When I got to the DMV they told me the registration was based off of the value of my car (which I knew) but the value they assigned my vehicle was 2x the KBB value. Just so they could charge more to register it. Ridiculous! Of course, they don't have a state income tax so they charge a lot more for registration fees than other states and they have a lot of different things you have to register for that other states don't require.
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tck_beachbum
5/4/2009 7:52:42 AM
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We need to be prepared for all of these miscellaneous fees to go up even further too.

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angelface45
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I'm in CT. All of the above laws have been exactly what you have said for quite some time now. That's nothing new. The only thing that i've never heard about is being subject to physical/mental exam. Everything else is already a law.

As far as ammo shortage.... yeah, supply and demand. Everybody is freaking out and buying everything off the shelfs.

Solution= start reloading yourself.

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gtr420
5/9/2009 6:15:04 PM
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Question: how are we gonna ever come out of this economic slump if the government is always taking our money away?
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tck_beachbum
5/9/2009 7:42:50 PM
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Didn't you hear? Obama is creating jobs!

The government is hiring people left, right, and sideways... 66,000 people in new government jobs at last count, mostly for the census. 22,000 more Pentagon jobs in the works.

How do you think the government is going to pay the wages for these 'new' jobs?

Simple - by taking more money from people like you & me with 'old' jobs.

(Probably one of the most asinine bait & switch tactics ever introduced by a president, but the followers of Obama the Messiah haven't caught on yet. Just in case the citizens (sheep) do catch on to this nonsense scheme, Obama wants to be sure a lot of weapons are off the streets, lol. wink)

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nrokinu (this topic's creator)
5/12/2009 1:50:25 AM
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Nice Cimm.....can you do a revolver?
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robbi642
5/16/2009 1:17:20 PM
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McCain: U.S. gun limits won't stop drug cartels

Tells NRA violence in Mexico shouldn't be excuse to restrict gun rights here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30772843/

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gtr420
5/16/2009 5:25:55 PM
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McCain is right robbi.

Q1: How do most guns get on the streets anyway?

A1: By people who do not respect the law

Q2: If the answer to the question above is correct then how will more gun laws stop guns from getting on the streets?

A2: They won't. Anyone who needs to know why can refer to Q1.

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robbi642
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Gotta Love This..........

To the guy who tried to mug me

> in downtown Savannah night before last.

>

> Date: 03-23-2009, 3:43 AM EST

>

> I was the guy with the black Burberry jacket that you

> demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on

> me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my

> girlfriend's purse and earrings.

>

>

> I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like

> to apologize.

>

> I didn't expect you to crap in your pants when I drew

> my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing

> the jacket for a reason that evening, and it wasn't that

> cold outside.

>

>

> You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber Model

> 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up

> a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol,

> eh?

>

> It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your

> head, isn't it? I know it probably wasn't a great

> deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from

> with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm

> sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your

> shoes, cell phone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have

> you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to

> mug us again.

>

>

> I took the liberty of calling your mother, or

> "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and

> explaining to her your situation. She really didn't

> sound very pleased. She said you take after your dad,

> whereever he is. I also bought myself and four other people

> in the gas station this morning a tank full of gas on your

> credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150

> gallons and was extremely grateful!

>

>

> I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by

> Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your

> wallet.

>

> I threw the wallet in a fancy pink "pimp mobile"

> parked at the curb after I broke the windshield and side

> window out and keyed the drivers side.

>

>

> I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell phone.

> They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know

> which ones. Ma Bell just shut down the line, and I've

> only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I

> don't know what's going on with that. I hope they

> haven't permanently cut off your service.

>

>

> I could only get in two threatening phone calls to the

> DA's office and one to the FBI with it. The FBI guy was

> really pissed and we had a long chat (I guess while he

> traced the number).

>

> I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and

> instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm

> hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in

> life. Next time you might not be so lucky.

>

>

> - Rich -

>

> P.S. Remember this motto...... an armed society is a

> polite society!

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Ron_092
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Found this story a short while ago. I doubt legislation would have prevented this tragedy, but perhaps education might have.

The police say no charges will be laid. I'd say any firearms owner who stores a firearm and ammunition in such a way that a child can access it needs to be held accountable.

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By Holbrook Mohr, The Associated Press

JACKSON, Mississippi - An 11-year-old boy in Mississippi accidentally killed his 9-year-old brother with a shotgun blast Tuesday as the two struggled over the gun after arguing about a video game, authorities said.

A-Darrious Finley died after being shot with a 12-gauge shotgun at his home near the Red Banks community in northern Mississippi, Marshall County Sheriff Kenny Dickerson said. "The younger brother allegedly got mad because he got beat at some video games and got the gun," Dickerson said.

Dickerson said the older brother, De-Andre Finley, initially said he never touched the gun. He first told deputies that the younger boy got the gun and pointed it at himself, saying "this is how I'm going to shoot you." But after more questioning, and being told that his account didn't match evidence at the scene, the older boy said the weapon accidentally discharged as the two struggled over it.

"That version we can live with because it's consistent with the evidence," Dickerson said.

Dickerson said the shotgun was too long and heavy for the younger boy to hold it against his own chest and pull the trigger.

The district attorney will look at the case, but it's likely the older brother won't be charged with a crime because he is under the age of 13 and "it appeared to be an accident anyway," the sheriff said.

Marshall County Coroner James Richard Anderson said the brothers' father was outside cutting the grass at the time of the shooting.

The boys' father told deputies the gun was kept unloaded in a closet at the home, the sheriff said. The 9-year-old had fired the gun before with his father's supervision, and investigators believe he knew how to load it himself.

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Ron_092
6/12/2009 9:08:43 AM
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robbi642
6/14/2009 10:23:41 PM
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I was leary of this so did it and sure enough I was added to their rolls, sent an ID card and window stickers. Of course like all organizations they would like you to donate or join for a normal membership, but, the numbers are important as well, so go ahead and join for free........

Take a minute and join. It's free! Get this to anyone that may be interested. Free NRA memberships for one year; see below The NRA is giving FREE 1-yr memberships to everyone who wants to join. They are trying to build up their membership to fight pending legislation that impacts our right to keep and bear arms. It is very important that anti-gun congressmen see how many people they will have to fight to get their legislation through.

https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp

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robbi642
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This is Great..........Vermont has good gun laws......I doubt this will amount to anything, but I like the fact that it's out front......

Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont s own Constitution very carefully, and ... recently proposed a bill to register non-gun-owners and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun

...

Vermont s constitution states explicitly that the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State and those persons who are conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be required to pay such equivalent. Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to any situation that may arise.

...

There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.

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robbi642
10/29/2009 10:35:00 AM
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I'd like to note that in Vermont there is no need for a permit to carry a gun concealed. No registrations. They have probably the least restrictive laws in the country. And they have the third lowest crime rate in the country. Is there a correlation?
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rbray14
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i say be a man for once,use your hands :P but i'd that more for the wanna bes that need 15 people to harm 1 person.that includes cops gangs of every color and especially white conservatives that lynch gay people grin
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10/29/2009 11:43:23 AM
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"I don't want to be shot by someone that hasn't registered."

Ah, but someone registered shooting people is ok.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people with:

Cars, knives, guns, malpractice, drugs, blunt instruments, bare hands, you name it.

In fact you have more of a chance getting killed by a registered/licensed driver than a non registered or registered gun owner. It is an unjustified fear.

"You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing each update"

This doesn't happen for drivers. You get a freaking eye test and that's it.

"'The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs in prison.' - Good. Again, I'd hate to see someones kids die because of the irresponsibility of the parent(s). "

Car keys are left available to children all the time. Accident rate for teens is the highest. Why are the parents not put in prison? In fact cars should be outlawed based on the death toll and dismemberment they have caused. Guns are nothing in comparison.

You take your life and others in your hands every day.

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spart
10/29/2009 4:49:34 PM
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Gun control is.....hitting that at which you are aiming.
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webberm249
10/29/2009 6:13:12 PM
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this subject makes me want to uncontrolably vomit all over myself......u want my guns? COME AND GET THEM......
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