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I believe George W. Bush will always be remembered for the Iraq War, that will be his legacy.

A secondary legacy to be learned is the false notion that "things cant possibly get worse than they already are". Because things can always get worse.

There really was no other choice for president than Obama, I cannot fault anyone in voting for Obama.

What we, as a nation, have seen though, is that "things can always get worse", and giving any president full un-tethered power and carte blanche to do anything he wants is a dangerous deed.

Obama pushed through a great deal of HUGE changes during his first 100 days in office. HUGE changes that were unquestioned and unchallenged... specifically the $787 billion stimulus package pushed through unread by the majority of politicians voting for the package.

It was more of an idea that since Bush was a republican, and life sucked under Bush, that anything the republicans dont like is a good thing.

I firmly believe the USA is worse off now that one years ago. We still have the Iraq War. We even have an escalated second war. The economy is BAD. Two major employment bases (GM & Chrysler) are a diminished fraction of what they used to be. Money spent to stimulate has not stimulated. Many other factors.

As an independent voter, neither republican or democrat, what I have learned as a "Bush legacy" is that when the democrats and republicans will do practically anything to battle one another... the entire country LOSES.

This topic is neither pro or anti Bush or Obama. This topic brings to light how partisan politics really hurts progress.

The Bush legacy - things can indeed get worse?

Well said, Tck!! My thesis (which sadly is in the archives at the university but NOT published) was based (in part) on an argument that representative democracy is democratic in name only. In truth, what we have in both your country and mine is a plutocracy.

It takes money to run for office. It takes even more money to run successfully. Those funds have to come from somewhere. And they do: be it unions, big business or other interests. So where does an elected politician's loyalties lie? Obviously those loyalties will lie with the groups who funded the campaign.

In my thesis I argued that elected representatives should have NO legislative power; rather, they should merely be executors of the political will of the people. That political will should be excercised through a system of direct suffrage, thus allowing the individual citizen a say on each and every issue.

Obviously what I've explained here is not even a bare-bones description of something that took a lot of time and effort to produce. But perhaps we have a forum here that will allow some discussion on this and related topics.

What it all comes down to is MONEY! Most candidates will turn to a major party for assistance with that. But in order to gain such backing, they have to show just how Republican or Democrat they are. Even when the are elected to office they still have to maintain a record that is deemed acceptable - this goes particularly for those in legislative positions... Their voting record can say more than their stumping pledges ever could. Consider Sen. Arlen Spector, for example. He switched from Republican to Democrat, now why is that? Because his voting record was going to come back and bite him in the ass as a Republican and was probably losing support, so he switched to those who would look more favorably at him. Truth be told, a little partisanship can be reasonably expected, but right now, there is just too much of that going on. I blame that on the fact that there are too many insecure politicians in office that are afraid of losing the support of their party that they make every vote a partisan one instead of a genuine one. We need more mavericks like McCain, who are not afraid to cross party lines or tick a few rich people off for something they believe in.

and on the topic of lessons learned? In my experiences, people always say the next administration cant be worse than the current one.... until the next one IS the current one. Before long, people will be saying things cant be worse than they are under Obama. The ones least likely to have that mentality are the rich... they got where they are because they realize that the world is not perfect and know how to take advantage of its flaws.

Looking back now... the Bush years were pretty good years.

(Especially compared to the financial/economic woes Obama has created. )

I don't think it would make much difference who is in office. The system itself corrupts even the most noble-minded. So long as there are special interests contributing to political campaigns, this problem will persist.

he(Obama) created one big mess alittle over 100 days in office,lmao

The Obama legacy may be in accepting the Muslim religion as commonplace in America.

Good or bad...?

What a speech. What's he running for now? When will he start? He loves the limelight, but now it's time for action and less words.

Any day now I expect Obama to declare Muslim-Americans as a minority group.

Eligible for 'bailout' money and minority benefits.

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The Clinton Legacy - lies, impeachment due to sexual misconduct.

The Bush Legacy - the Iraq War.

The Obama Legacy - total destruction of the U.S. dollar?

Clinton: a brilliant guy, a woman used to blOw him in the oval office (he knowing there are secret cameras and microphones recording...) REALLY BRILLIANT!

Bush: ignorance, lies (Sadam had nothing to do with 11-9, not weapons of mass destruction save for his brain), silly (using a chainsaw to 'repair' the world), etcc

Obama: new president (he needs time), brave and legal (the illegal prison Guantanamo will be shut down), instead of bragging and talking republican nonsense about what powerful and great they are, he states brilliantly that only the USA can not 'repair' the world, and that the rest of the world can not do it without the USA.

Someone this morning professed to me that...

"If McCain had become president after Bush it would just have been more of the same."

Obama's problem is the same one that everyone who takes office must face. Its called reality. A politician's platform may be "x" but all too often they get into office and discover that "y" is what is desired by his/her supporters.

Politicians get elected based on who has the best publicists and speechwriters. The politicians who have the best publicists and speechwriters are the ones who have the money to spend. The politicians who have the money get that money from interests such as unions, corporations, lobby groups etcetera. So when it comes time to pay the piper, who do you think is playing the tune?

Representative government is "democratic" in name only. The term that should be applied is "Plutocracy:" money always calls the shots.

Bush sought endlessly to find WMD's... and eventually brought down the country of Iraq trying.

Obama sought endlessly to find an economic stimulus... and brought down the USA trying.

Legacies... * sigh *

Congrats to Obama...!

It has taken him less than 6 months to be declared a worse president than Bush!

LOL... talk about a total f*ckup.

One 'Bush Legacy' I notice is that Obama is accomplishing NOTHING regarding the Iraq and A'stan wars, but Obama (and Biden) still criticize Bush a lot for it, lol.

(I wonder how long it will be before Obama/Biden realize Bush is history, gone, done... but then again Obama/Biden wouldn't have anyone to blame for the problems they fought so hard to acquire and promised to solve if there's no one to blame.)

Excuses, excuses, excuses! LOL

Get them the Hell Out Now!!!!!!!

I think the current democratic leadership team was so focusing on doing something/anything to prove they were in charge now that they fvcked up royally.

Rather than make some intelligent, wisely focused moves, they just did whatever.

* Stimulus bill, $787 billion gone - dumb.

* Cap & Trade proposal - retarded.

* Health care overhaul at any cost - assheaded.

Bush's legacy? Well thought out strategic moves approved by the republican AND democratic majority.

Obama's legacy? Doing things haphazardly just to prove he can do it. No republican support at all, with fewer and fewer democrats following him down the road of political suicide. Basically... Obama is proving himself as a menace to American society.

I imagine McCain/Palin are looking pretty good right now to alot of folks........

Actually only about 10% of the stimulus has been spent. It is however as good as gone, as congress has approved it. I doubt that any of it will be returned to the people, or that they won't spend all of it.

The Bush Legacy? He prevented America from suffering an Algore Presidency ditto Mr. Heinze.

The bush legacy? Liberating Iraq. I know its a hot-button topic but Bush, and our troops did make a difference, whether we supported it or not. If not for W's determination, Iraqis would still be living in fear of Saddam Hussein, who is now, shall we say, dead? I will not say that it was the initial intention, but the effect is that Iraqis can now be preparing for a life better than they ever had before our "illegal war". They are trying to kick us out now but they will probably appreciate us for it later.

bush was on vacation for 8yrs, what a waste of life,

since late 2007 he most likely did squat,

before you start on the stimulus blasting

bush and his worthless staff, drove up billions in debt in wars, we are still fighting for unapprecciative fools, screw the iraqis, let them kill themselves, well never get any return on that wasted effort, i was there a yr ,

Bush.... well, to some democrats, he's the gift that keeps on giving.

Iraq.... we didn't "liberate" anything, we took a secular country and set religous fanatics loose, and now that's who controls it. And that was a bad move made for...what reasons? And Iran has been set loose now, Hussein was a paper tiger but kept Iran in check. Iraq is one of the stupidest moves USA has ever made. And who gets the credit? GWB.

Talk about a menace to society...

Geesh, he's got the rating of "worst president" pretty much sown up. He looks worse than Hoover.

I am beginning to think that after this administration is over, Bush may look like the good ole days.

Another of Bush's legacies: Bush is the excuse Obama uses for all of his failures.

"It's all Bush's fault... I inherited the problems... don't blame me!"

"We rushed the $787 billion dollar spending (waste) through because of Bush!"

If there were to be an election, right now, with Obama and Bush on the ballot... I suspect the American public might just welcome Bush back in a landslide, lol.

** Bush started a war in Iraq (that Obama is too weak to end).

** Obama started a war here in the United States, lol.

"I suspect the American public might just welcome Bush back in a landslide"

I very much doubt that. The "American public", as a whole, is way smarter than that.

We're learning Obama is a politician, I do not think the wool is over our eyes regarding Bush and crew, not at all. The more we learn, the worse they look.

No way to tell that's for sure, anyone's guess, Kee.

Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the Iraq War (she claims she didn't check her facts enough and she made a 'mistake'... ooops, thousands dead) and Hillary's the Secretary of State now.

Obama rushes to get everything accomplished EXCEPT ending the war.

It is looking right now like Obama will be a lame duck when election time rolls around. It won't surprise me to see some strong democratic candidates running against him for the presidency.

Mostly we hear from the democrats how bad Bush WAS... but never how good Obama IS.

Obama's legacy... he couldn't get out of Bush's shadow?

Bush's legacy.

Just when you thoughts things couldn't get any worse.... things got worse, lol.

Bush declared war on Iraq and there a few hundred thousand less Iraqi's.

Obama declared war on big business and there are a few hundred thousand less jobs.

Rocket science?

Now you're comparing Bush and Obama. You contradict yourself constantly. I think you dislike Obama no matter what, it's becoming clear.

Rocket scientist ^

I didn't like Bush in the last two years of his presidency.

When I see Obama I see a huge circumcized dick head sticking out of a shirt, a fvcking pretender who is milking the tax system for his own enjoyment, and smiling the whole time.

I see a weak pathetic piece of shit politician that has not accomplished ANYTHING while in office for nearly a year, and he has not even ATTEMPTED to address important issues.

Wars and jobs - Obama fears these issues. He is a chickenshit bitch.

Obama will fly off to Denmark before addressing important topics.

In essence - Obama is an asshole. Watch how fast this poser folds up like a house of cards.

(Telling it like it is. )

Yeah the mistake made by Obama going to campaign for the Olympics is that he lost and he looks incredibly weak. Bad move.

Yes, I am a rocket scientist. cue: Rocket Man.

Home, sorry, your post looked like it was written by a second grader, with the intent of attracting another second grader for sex.

When you can write like an adult, and present yourself as an adult, feel free to stop back.

Until then - keep hanging out in playgrounds somewhere looking for a date.

Run along now little boy, report everything you see to the secret police.

Before someone swats you like a gnat.

you have been report. because this time you start it so i guess i,m going to make a believer out of you. try me dude. i,m just in that mood bye suferdude

Next Tuesday, Barack Obama will replace George Bush as president of the United States. Not surprisingly, given Bushs approval ratings and Obamas pop culture status, there is a lot of anticipation for the inauguration.

Many people are as eager to see Bush out as they are to see Obama in. Bush is not very popular, and has made his share of serious mistakes. And hes not a very good communicator. Still, the hatred and disgust directed towards him by so many people is baffling. Bush might not have been a great presidentbut he is nowhere near the worst president in American history, as many firmly believe. (At least, so far. It takes at least two decades, and probably more, to get the full measure of a presidency).

Bushs greatest failure is perceived to be the Iraq War. The wisdom of going into Iraq is certainly debatableSaddam Hussein didnt have weapons of mass destruction, and even if he had he simply wasnt a real threat to America. And Bush mishandled the warhe stuck to his original strategy long after it was clear to nearly everyone else that is wasnt working. The Iraq War, even if our present success in Iraq continues, will probably be seen as a mistake by future generations.

But not that big a mistake; certainly not large enough to tar a president with the worst ever label. The truth is that the Iraq War simply wasnt that big or important a war. Four thousand American troops have died over nearly seven years. During the Vietnam War, that many men could be lost in a month. And had Bush not embraced the surge and America was forced to withdraw in defeat, the consequences would have been unpleasant (it would have emboldened Muslims around the world), but not that unpleasantthe vast majority of Americans would never have been touched by them. The Iraq War was, perhaps, a mistakebut a relatively minor one.

Another criticism of Bush that is supposed to relegate him to lower echelon of presidents is the alleged loss of U.S. standing around the globe. (Obama is supposed to be the cure for this). Its true; the U.S. has lost prestigeexcept in France, which now has a pro-American Prime Minister, and England, whose Prime Minister supported (and supports) the Iraq War (and while Gordon Brown is unpopular, David Cameron, who is probably be the next PM, also supports the Iraq War), and Germany, with pro-American Angela Merkel, and Israel, Kuwait, and Albania, where they love Bush and America, andreally, most of the world doesnt seem to have much animosity towards America. That seems to be one of those memes which occasionally rise without any real backing in truth.

If one is looking for the worst presidents in American history, it would be wise to look at other presidents than Bush. James Buchanan, for example, did nothing as the Confederate states seceded from the Union, making Abraham Lincolns task of fighting the Civil War much harder. Ulysses S. Grants Administration was plagued with corruption, and mishandled Reconstruction far worse than Bush mishandled the aftermath of the fall of Saddam Hussien. Warren Hardings administration was woefully corrupt, and Harding was dreadfully incompetent. Franklin Roosevelts policies may have (actually, it would probably be safe to assert they did) lengthen the Great Depression, and it was only the fortuitous (at least for Roosevelts legacy) outbreak of World War II that saved him from being remembered as a disaster. Lyndon Johnson escalated the Vietnam War and bore responsibility for tens of thousands of American dead. Richard Nixon was a lying crook. Jimmy Carters domestic and foreign policies were failures. But since George Bush botched some insignificant (relatively) war in the Middle East, hes one of our worst presidents? To say so is simply politically and historically illiterate.

So, who's post was this exactly? It's not in the 'typical' fashion of this poster. Not to mention that 'next Tuesday' is 06OCT09 and the inauguration took place on 20JAN09. Seriously, WTF? Quick 'google' reveals the above is a copy/paste of a post found at http://danielruwe.blogspot.com/2009/01/george-w-bush-worst-president-ever.html.

Post your 'own' opinions/comments or at least appropriately reference where you got your posts from.

Ugh...I hate plagiarism. If you're trying to make a point, at least give credit where credit is due.

(Frck - he's pretending to be able to write like an adult, don't let on that we know. )

homeboy - exactly who was I reported to? The KGB...? The secret police?

lets see try reading the rules, know name calling. dont think i called you names have i nope.

homecooking - do the names surferdude and fag come to mind, lol?

Not that I care at all, but you were doing name calling 4 posts ago!

Report yourself to the nearest center for retarded morons.

homeboner - I deleted your post there for no particular reason, I just felt like it.

Go whine and cry to your mama. Report me to the KGB. You big baby!

So... homeboy... you're a snitch, huh?

A rat...?

A squealer..?

Gotta run to the guards every time someone calls you names?

I know the type.

yeah yeah yeah. know none of them i just don't like you nothing else.

So where did the "kinder, gentler Mingles" go?

Falling off the wagon in a bad way. Too bad, it was almost tolerable while it lasted.

Na... Kee... not to worry... just playing with this guy, he creates a new profile every other day.

Watch for the '48'.

"The Bush legacy - things can indeed get worse?"

things can not get worse, with Bush in power things stooped so low that none president will ever achieve his faults and stupidities.

but you know what? the USA is a strange country, i mean, they build an aircraft carrier and name it with presidents names. it is not bad, only that they often choose dumb presidents, that is what makes it strange.

in the future, perhaps a new aircraft carrier will be named Bush, LMAO and you know he has been one of the worst presidents that US has ever had, if not the worst. but that is how the system works in the USA.

it is also strange that one of the best presidents through the US history, Bill Clinton, will never have his own aircraft carrier.

perhaps if Clinton had appeared on TV like a dumbass, using a chainsaw, and saying the chainsaw is the best way of solving the world's problems, he would for sure have his navy ship in the future, sure!

The Bush legacy...

"A vote for McCain would just mean more of the same..."

Say, can we get some 'more of the same' now, lol...?

I sure Clinton could get an advertising gig......For cigars. Is that what you mean by best? He was the best at promoting cigars.

Quick... quick... what's the first thing that comes to mind when you think of President Clinton?

Monica Lewinsky sucking him off in the Oval office, lol..?

Clinton was impeached and disbarred from practicing law, after being found guilty of perjury.

(Perjury is the offense from lying under oath in a court of law.)

That's the legacy of Bill 'Blowjob' Clinton.

Name an aircraft carrier after him? How about a garbage scow or a dump?

Monica Lewinsky blowing him was just an incident, and none man on earth would have refused or avoided it.

the real fact is that Bill Clinton has been one of the best presidents through the US history, and he will be remembered not because those blowjobs but because the USA gained and improved a lot with him in power.

of course i am not comparing him to Washington or Lincoln, however, he does deserve an aircraft carrier after he passes away, above all if you think of dumb presidents like Truman or Reagan, presidents who have their navy ships.

Clinton was a shitty president, he helped destroy the American economy by signing Nafta into effect. And thanks to his bowing down to several animal rights groups and earth first hippies the logging industry here in Oregon suffered greatly.

http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/

Frontline "The Warning" This happened during the Clinton Years.

"Monica Lewinsky blowing him was just an incident, and none man on earth would have refused or avoided it."

Yeah right, she was real centerfold material, irresistible. Geeeeez!

Yuck! lol

Right tck, shows how Pedros mind works. Ya let us take Pedro's advice. He would sell out for a blow job.

So true.

When someone only has sex with goats, or Hillary Clinton, they won't be able to resist Monica Lewinsky.

Toy, you're more than welcome to insult politicians and the American public, but keep your childish moronic insults toward Captain & Mostie in your own kindergarden-level forums, okay?

No offense, lol.

what you talking about dude?

i insulted no one in here!

i simply illustrated the point i was making by drawing a comparison using monkeys,george bush,captain coocoo and the f.ucking c.unt douchebag webcam!

no offense intended!!! lol

Thanks tck- toy can't help it if the fact that I'm not some dumb, illiterate, uneducated, mousie-type just intimidates the hell out of him, lol.

you are in a league of your own webcamcunt!

Toyman... Cimmaron says you are wrong.

cimmarons a homo..