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OBAMA: "I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess"
Obama knows who created 'the mess', and he knows if 'they' get out of his way he will fix everything.
No generalizations there, huh Obama?
Obama can pinpoint those exact people who 'created the mess'.
Barack - where should we erect your statue?
LOL, what a pompous self-centered ass. 
The whole "us democrats are intellectually superior" to you republicans is really dividing this nation.
We have a two party system mostly so one party cannot get pompously out-of-control (like the direction Obama is going in).
Regardless of democrat or republican (of which I am neither) we are all citizens of the USA, with a voice.
Right now, we are all losing, there are no winners.
My own message to Washington would be:
WORK TOGETHER for the benefit of this nation, not simply for the benefit of YOUR political party.
With that said......I think you're correct....both Dems and Republicans are dangerous when serving their own interests.....concern for the nation is a thing of the past in the political process......
Independents such as myself view the republican party as men & women comprising roughly half of the U.S. population.
I do not condemn the other half of the U.S. population (the democrats) for what occurred during Clinton's administration.
I am NOT in favor of EITHER party's goals if it isn't good for the USA as a whole.
I like Josh's input because he is in his 20's, and politics is shaping his future more than it is shaping mine. I feel that what happens in politics will effect Josh more than most of us a bit older, and I find it interesting that someone younger feels okay about current situations and the direction the USA is going.
Personally I think Obama's myopic vision of his democratic views only, with no consideration for republican citizens, will lead to violence. Time will tell.
(The first signs of dictatorship are an inability to accept criticism, and, the illusion of intellectual superiority.)
Good discussion.
Please don't give him any ideas 
If the program is for that purpose, then it should be applauded. . . there are far too many patently unsafe, polluting vehicles on the road today. If on the other hand its to be used as an incentive to stimulate new car sales, it is a huge mistake.
As for the left/right dichotomy, many people on the right do indeed see anything left of center as a threat to their concept of rights. In a nutshell, the difference between right and left can be described as differing philosophies regarding which rights are more important. The right side of the spectrum values civil and political rights, while the left places a great deal of emphasis on social and economic rights. The sad part of all of this is that the two are not mutually exclusive: they just require both sides to make some concessions.
Just my 2 cents from north of 49.
And I think Obama was the only choice for president (over McCain).
What I think is dangerous is when a president says, as though he knows exactly what he is doing:
"I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess"
(I think everyone's input is valuable. )
One thing I will say, the way things are shaping up lately, country-wise, I've never seen the likes of in my entire life- and I don't think I'm alone when I say that- it's frightening, to say the least-
Ah, to be 23 and hopeful again- LOL--
Robbie, Sarah just recently has stuck her foot in it as deep as she can get.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/07/palin/
"Palin: Obama would make Trig face "death panel"
Sarah Palin might not be the governor of Alaska anymore, but she's still weighing in on politics. Friday afternoon, she took to her Facebook page to warn of the dangers of Democratic healthcare plans.
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obamas 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," Palin wrote."
I would say she's pretty much shot herself in the foot in every way.
BigJohn
You have to realize NOBODY is forcing ANYBODY to obtain the public option. You can also keep those kickass cars of yours. Imagine that.
Wow. That is a pretty weird way of explaining yourself. There goes those whole fear tactics with the 'death panel' comment. She pretty much paints a picture that her baby is in front of a firing squad. There's something wrong with that.
Most recently she has become what I call and 'attention junky'... say anything to get attention.
Obama has a L-O-N-G way to go with his presidency.
I am concerned that Obama may have become too full of himself and he is starting to believe those minions surrounding him that worship his every word & deed.
(By the way... did anyone ever wonder who WROTE the 1000+ page health bill no one has time to read? Yeah, lol, interesting because it had to come from somewhere, huh? And from what I understand it WAS NOT written by politicians, yet all democrat politicians are supposed to hail it as the Messiah's saving plan for all time. Don't think about it, don't bother reading it... pass it through - it is Obama's idea so it will work. Scary line of thought there folks, just plain scary. )
Your parents should be beat- LOL
Palin: Obama would make Trig face "death panel"
Sarah Palin might not be the governor of Alaska anymore, but she's still weighing in on politics. Friday afternoon, she took to her Facebook page to warn of the dangers of Democratic healthcare plans.
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obamas 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," Palin wrote.
This is, of course, just one more in a long list of myths that are floating around among reform opponents. Here's Palin's full post:
As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and were saying not just no, but hell no!
The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obamas death panel so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their level of productivity in society, whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
Health care by definition involves life and death decisions. Human rights and human dignity must be at the center of any health care discussion.
Rep. Michele Bachmann highlighted the Orwellian thinking of the presidents health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of the White House chief of staff, in a floor speech to the House of Representatives. I commend her for being a voice for the most precious members of our society, our children and our seniors.
We must step up and engage in this most crucial debate. Nationalizing our health care system is a point of no return for government interference in the lives of its citizens. If we go down this path, there will be no turning back. Ronald Reagan once wrote, Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life well ever see on this earth. Lets stop and think and make our voices heard before its too late.
As far as I can see, she lied to distort the issue.
I'm tired of all the lying politicians, Robbi, not just Sarah Palin.
On a related side note, we have a bit less than fifty million Americans without health insurance, so the following is disingenuous, at best:
"government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course."
We are already not paying the cost.
As for the CARS program, something to think about here is the cash is tax free. You get this cash and you don't have to report it to the IRS. Yet if you worked to get $4500, you pay taxes.
I admit I am very uncomfortable about what the future holds for us and the generations that follow us. I was listening to RKO last night. The host (Dan) was trying to get balanced conversations (pro and anti)on health care and asking why there was no outcry about the gentleman that was severely beaten and verbally degraded. A pro health care person called in and wanted to claim the guy got what he deserved. Then when Dan said no one should be attacked for their color or views. The guy told Dan to watch out for his first amendment rights. That is what I am seeing. Liberals have rights and conservatives do not. I wonder if conservatives will one day find themselves in camps.
There are cases where people choose to go to the U.S. for treatment when they feel that the wait list is too long. What must be remembered (and critics seldom admit) is that even those people still get at least partial out-of-province coverage. These people are in the minority though. Most of those of us living north of 49 are content with what we have.
That's easy. They DON'T. Don't buy the commercial paid for by the powers that be. That's what they're counting on. I don't know any canadians who would rather be stuck here with little money and get sick and worry about dying because they're not rich, when they can get all the help there they need without it costing them a dime. It's like a savings account...you pay more in taxes, yes...but the help is there when you need it. That's not the case here, unless you're lucky enough to have a kickass health plan at work, or you're wealthy enough that money doesn't mean anything to you. Don't buy the political propaganda they're trying to sell you, use your noggin.
Ron.....I've heard of people in Canada that really appreciate and like the health care system and others I've heard can't stand it. I'm sure there are stories on both sides that are valid. I remember talking to a Doctor from Canada once that told of how they got paid. It was by the patient and he told me that there was competition amongst the doctors to see who could get the most patients done in the shortest amount of time. I don't know if he was the winner, but he had it down to an average of 3 minutes per patient.......Not quite the quality I'm looking for......
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
I agree about the transparency but think he's coming up with good results from dealing with them if I can believe what I've read... we'll see.
I'm not impressed with peeps using dishonest distortions, I see a list of lies being used to stop the dialog. Read the bill, understand the issues, don't listen to ANYONE if you don't want to, but at least recognize when you're being told a total whopper, which that "talking point" is.
There are some exceptions like the Part D prescription drug plan. Some love it and some hate it. Very few understand it.
Expanding the drug plan beyond the senior group might be a good first step. But there are plenty of other areas this could be applied to.
Ideally it would be nice to see some benefit/relief given to the people who end up paying for most of this.....the middle class.
Fortunately, I have never had a negative experience while seeking medical help. A few months ago I was experiencing pains, couldn't swallow or breath. I arrived at the emergency room to find about 10 people ahead of me. But because of my symptoms, they moved me to the head of the line immediately. I had a doctor looking at me withing 10 minutes. Fortunately it turned out (as I suspected it would) to be a bad bout of acid reflux (first time I'd ever had one for that matter), so after they had established that I wasn't in danger they moved me back down the list, as they should have.
I would say that very few people have to go south of 49 to get treatment. Those that do tend to be simply impatient, thinking that their concerns are more critical than those of the people higher up the waiting list. And of course the media is all over it like a pack of dogs on an overturned sausage cart.
If there is a serious issue that cannot be handled here due to shortage of beds or lack of equipment or a specialist, then the patient will be moved out-of-province for treatment ON THE GOVERNMENT'S DIME. A few months back there was a story that hit the headlines about a preemie baby that was flown to Buffalo because the only hospitals here capable of handling the infant were full. Of course, provincial health insurance covered it all. The reason the story made the headlines was because the parents didn't have passports and therefore couldn't accompany their infant.
As for doctors rushing through patients, most provinces have or are working on implementing guidelines that will limit the number of patients a GP can see in a day. I would say from experience that most GPs are not of the sort you describe, Robbi. But I'll admit that there probably are some like that.
Having said all of this, I'm wondering how doctors in the U.S. bill? Do health insurance programs not dictate to them how much they can charge for services? Are there no guidelines or do doctors just charge whatever they want based on whatever criteria they want?
How do you tell when a lawyer is lying?
Answer: His lips are moving.
A lot of legislators are lawyers.
I guess the lying thing rubs off on the rest.
not too far-fetched, if we keep letting the liberals corral us into them..... by the way, where do they get off calling themselves liberals when they want to dictate and regulate every aspect of all our lives, telling us what we can and cannot do or say?
Massachusetts did the mandatory health insurance and NPR reported on the "bloated bureaucracy that eats up most of the money paid in." (Paraphrased here due to the length of the report).
I am all for open debate. When I contacted Jean Shaheen's office I was told to submit my questions and if they were reasonable, they may answer them. May answer them???
My questions are: How would a small business like myself, having only independent contractors (not employees) be affected?
Towns are already strapped, residents are struggling with their property taxes. How does this affect the towns and their residents? (Keep in mind that in this area most town employees are PT and get no benefits.)
So now I wait to see if my questions will be answered. I am willing to bet that because I am Republican, no answer will be given. LOL, my questions are probably deemed unreasonable!
Food has long been an issue in this city without a major supermarket. Now demand for assistance is rising, affecting a whole new set of people.
DETROIT (CNNMoney.com) -- On a side street in an old industrial neighborhood, a delivery man stacks a dolly of goods outside a store. Ten feet away stands another man clad in military fatigues, combat boots and what appears to be a flak jacket. He looks straight out of Baghdad. But this isn't Iraq. It's southeast Detroit, and he's there to guard the groceries.
In this recession-racked town, the lack of food is a serious problem. It's a theme that comes up again and again in conversations in Detroit. There isn't a single major chain supermarket in the city, forcing residents to buy food from corner stores. Often less healthy and more expensive food.
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Obamacide.
This is EXACTLY what happens when business & industry becomes the bad guy.
(At least those workers are safe from being abused & used by their evil employers.)
When they get back, issues like health care and global warming will be the topics.
Food for people in Detroit? Jobs? Sorry... maybe find a picket line somewhere and stand in it. And next time you mental midgets decide to choose between the hand that feeds you, and the hand that only promises to feed you (Obama and the gov't), stick with the sure thing - work for the wages offered or start your own business, that's the American way. Obama isn't gonna rescue you fools.
I have a suspicion that the next company to employ workers in Detroit will be welcomed with open arms, good attitudes, people READY TO WORK, and people who are going to keep their traps shut about how poorly they think their employer is treating them. Time will tell.
It's all uphill from here.
I'd guess that Detroit is in for a rough time for a while yet. There is a mentality, especially among unionized auto workers, that they have a right to a competition free market. Of course a market without competition would be a market rife with shoddy workmanship and yesterday's products.
I have several friends who work for Ford and GM. The first thing they gripe about when the automotive business comes up is how I'm working for "the enemy," and that without tariffs on import vehicles they can't compete.
I point out that firstly, most of the product my employer sells in North America is built here, secondly, it is that competition that has driven their (the Big Three)quality up in recent decades, and thirdly, they could compete if they weren't being paid $70.00/hour, and if they started building cars that people want to drive.
The main problem with the US manufacturers is the govrnment intrusion. Gov killed them in the 70s. The taxes alone are crazy. Hondas, Toyotas, Mitsu. whatever if they are made here they still don't pay the taxes that the big 3 pay. Example $25,000 Honda accord if taxed the way american cars are would cost the buyer around $32,000. The average tax on american cars is about $5500 above any comparable "foreign" car model.
Obama is making it advantageous for manufacturers to import rather than produce here in the USA.
In fact, Obama is making it economically more desirable for businesses to build their entire factory in another country.
A man who was holding a sign reading "Death to Obama" Wednesday outside a town hall meeting on health care reform in Hagerstown, Md., has been turned over to the Secret Service.
Washington County Sheriff's Capt. Peter Lazich said the sign also read, "Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids."
Agreed, tck. Its not just the Japanese and European makers. GM Ford and Chrysler have been using off-shore parts for years. Bosch from Germany, NGK from Japan, Lucas from England, Brembo from Italy. . .and the list goes on.
You're right, John, that the "muscle car" is back, and people want them; however, they cannot build an industry on one segment of the market. They did that by focusing on the SUV segment for the past several years and look where that got them. The key to the industry is the entry-level car. And Japanese manufacturers' entry-level cars are everything that the college student just starting out or the young couple with a new family want: fun to drive and practical.
http://www.allnewcamaro.com/camaroevolved.asp
But don't bother Obama...!
He's on vacation.
I don't seem to remember any President extending their vacas. Must be nice...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html
Obama has a "Daddy knows best what is best for all of you" attitude.
Nothing he does surprises me anymore. I'll bet he and Michelle have some great late night conversations hilariously laughing about how easy it is/was to dupe the American public majority.
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Canada's new top diplomat seen as pragmatic, savvy
By Allan Dowd and Roberta Rampton
VANCOUVER/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Gary Doer, Canada's choice as its next ambassador to the United States, is a pragmatist who is skilled at reaching out across partisan and international boundaries, according to friends and observers.
Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper surprised political pundits on Friday by selecting Doer, a member of the left-leaning New Democratic Party who has served as premier of the Prairie province of Manitoba for the past decade.
The move means Canada's most conservative government in recent years will have a member of the country's largest social democratic party as its public face in dealings with a U.S. government that moved left with the last election.
Doer, who pulled his own surprise on Thursday by announcing his retirement as premier, had a good working relationship with Harper despite any political differences, said Paul Thomas, a University of Manitoba political scientist.
"He's a very pragmatic person," Thomas said.
Doer, 61, entered politics from the labor movement, and served as leader of Manitoba's official opposition for nine years before the NDP finally won power in 1999. He has been re-elected twice as premier.
Known for his Cheshire Cat-like grin and sense of humor, Doer was the longest serving of Canada's provincial and territorial premiers, and observers say he has shown an ability to work with leaders from other political parties.
"If there was one bit of magic that has worked for Gary Doer politically, and I think will work for him diplomatically, it doesn't really matter what political stripe you are," said Paul Samyn, who covered Doer extensively for the Winnipeg Free Press.
"He's the kind of guy who's hard not to like," Samyn told CBC Television.
National NDP leader Jack Layton praised Doer on Friday as "adept at threading his way through thickets of competing interests, at bringing all sides together and making everyone feel like they contributed to the final decision."
HIGHEST PROFILE
As ambassador to Washington, Canada's highest profile diplomatic posting, Doer will at the center of any disputes between the neighboring countries, which are each other's largest trading partners with two-way trade worth more than $1.5 billion a day.
Unlike many left-leaning politicians in Canada, Doer admires the United States and has traveled there widely, said Les Campbell, a friend of Doer's for more than 20 years who now works in Washington for a think-tank.
"(Doer is) a Canadian who understands the U.S. I don't think that there are that many Canadians that do. I know every Canadian thinks they do. I've lived here a long, long time now -- my observation is that most Canadians think they do, but don't. Doer is actually one of the few," Campbell said.
Doer's ability to reach across partisan lines does not end at the border, and he has developed good working relationships with Democratic and Republican U.S. governors, including California's Arnold Schwarzenegger, Thomas said.
Manitoba and California are both members of a regional group developing a cap-and-trade system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Largely rural Manitoba has a population of just under 1.2 million people, but Thomas dismissed suggestions that Doer could have difficulty adjusting to the larger political stage of diplomatic life in Washington.
"He's always been on the big political stage," Thomas said.
But Campbell said Doer will have to make an adjustment, because, despite the prominence his new post might have in Canada, in Washington he will be entering a political scene where he will be a "a small fish in a big pond".
"He'll face the challenge that any Canadian ambassador faces, which is that no one cares about Canada," Campbell said.
(Additional reporting by Randall Palmer in Ottawa; editing by Rob Wilson)
"The crowd gave Obama a standing ovation and cheered loudly as he came on stage. Many remained standing as he spoke, applauding and hollering throughout."
Never mentioned were number of rapidly (RAPIDLY) dwindling union jobs and the mass exodus of business & industry out of the state of Ohio.
The unemployed masses screamed and cheered for their Messiah as their Messiah once again reminded them of how the evil businesses and industries have mistreated them in the past.
(There was no mention of how 'mistreatment' of employees (known as 'work') would no longer take place. No jobs... no evil business & industry to demand that employees actually work.)
I guess everyone was happy. Oh Happy Day...! 
Currently they receive unemployment money, which is intended to carry them over until they find employment again. But many feel Obama is going to continue their unemployment money forever by taxing the rich. And that's exactly what Obama wants them to think. It isn't true, but the truth doesn't matter to Obama, only his ego matters.
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Should we erect a statue in honor of her 'sacrifice' in the face of such endured hardship?
Hail to the Messiah, and hail to the sacrifice the Messiah's wife makes on YOUR behalf.
Friday, October 02, 2009
By Nicholas Ballasy, Video Reporter
(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Thomas Carper (D.-Del.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, told CNSNews.com that he does not "expect" to read the actual legislative language of the committees health care bill because it is "confusing" and that anyone who claims they are going to read it and understand it is fooling people.
"I dont expect to actually read the legislative language because reading the legislative language is among the more confusing things I've ever read in my life," Carper told CNSNews.com.
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Obama's own people are now realizing Obama is trying to pull the wool over their eyes.
(I'll give you 100 to 1 odds Obama still tries to present the retarded bill... and the same odds that some of his retarded followers go along with it, lol. )
Oct 21 12:31 PM US/Eastern
By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER
AP Economics Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Unemployment rose in 23 states last month as the economy struggled to create jobs in the early stages of the recovery.
While layoffs have slowed, companies remain reluctant to hire. Forty-three states reported job losses in September, while only seven gained jobs, the Labor Department said Wednesday.
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Obama inherited the problem, it is not his fault.
Obama just needs more time, you expect too much too soon.
Obama can't do anything to create more jobs anyhow, it is not his fault.
Right?
(Why do companies remain reluctant to hire? Are they encouraged in any way to hire?)
Obama's 'overriding focus:' Jobs.
President Obama sought today to get ahead of new unemployment numbers later this week, declaring the creation of long-term jobs to be "my administration's overriding focus."
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This 'overriding' focus will override healthcare and override the wars.
Democrats will be 'overridden' with joy as the messiah speaks!
(Nothing will happen, but 'he' has spoken. )
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9C244TG1&show_article=1
