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One Big Ass Mistake America...what's that spell?
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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I made a mistake last election time believing OBAMA's bullshit & lies.

But then... a vote for McCain would have simply meant...

'more of the same'.

Would it be possible to please have some 'more of the same'...?

LOL wink

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48mrg
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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48mrg... don't ever leave Mingles, me & some others laugh hilariously at some of the words you use (misuse) here.

It is obvious you hang out with 6th grade girls.

Gawd that shit is funny, lol. smile

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48mrg
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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your?

you're?

yore?

I love your 'English for picking up 14 year old girls', lol.

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48mrg
9/21/2009 11:06:27 AM
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oh what punk. but you need to stop taking all these women's men. try sharing gay boy.
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sargon
9/21/2009 2:59:17 PM
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I think 48mrg wants you to share your men with him. lol
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48mrg
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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48mrg likes them young... real young.... like his friend's daughter young... lol.

(15 might be a little bit too old for 48mrg, they start learning how to spell correctly and they realize he is a retard, lol. wink)

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48mrg
9/21/2009 4:35:44 PM
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hey gay boy. i new something was wrong with you i found out your in Ohio. that explains everything.
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HOTn4U
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Tck, getting back to the subject. I was almost in the same boat as you. When Obama started out, I thought here's someone who finaly gets it. As he kept opening his mouth I saw he was as bad as all other democrats. He will agree with whatever group he's talking to. I learned very early on he was full of crap.

As for 48mrg, exactly what's wrong with OHIO?

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HOTn4U
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sargon, you may be right. 48mrg seems to hate American women. here's his profile.

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hello i,m on here for friends only. because who in there right mind would date a fat american women. must american women are just fat lazy pigs. who sit around and eat all day.

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Reading his profile, I thought he was from Canada, or elsewhere. This jerk lives in South Carolina. Wonder where he gets his women from? LMAO

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48mrg
9/21/2009 6:22:15 PM
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one word cleveland. the mistake buy the lake.
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HOTn4U
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What's Cleveland ever done to you?
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48mrg
9/21/2009 6:26:23 PM
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well first its in the united states. then to dam cold there.
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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One

Big

Ass

Mistake

America

OBAMA

LOL wink

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48mrg
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hey do you got any 14 year old daughter. oh thats right your gay, sorry my bad.
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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Back when Obama was campaigning I thought he had some balls.

Now I view him as a weak & powerless political peon.

He'll most likely go down in history as the man who couldn't undo what Bush did.

And that's pretty pathetic. Right down there with Jimmy Carter.

Even Obama's supporters can't find anything good to say about him, except to compare him to Bush.

Is it 1012 yet? wink

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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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2012*
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48mrg
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not going to matter gay boy. you and the republicans have wore out there welcome. all republicans do is start wars. nothing more.
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crane
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For the record, I don't think ANYONE can undo what Bush did....the news i just watched about Iran having nuclear capabilities only means the plot thickens for the troops, yada yada yada....I think Obama is too worried of making the wrong move, and subsequently making the wrong moves...lol I'll still give him a lil credit that he's trying in his own way, even though it has yet to kick in (if it actually does)....
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I'm not sure anyone can either, Crane.

But it is painfully obvious that Obama can't or won't

And my only criticism is that HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO, lol. wink

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frckld1
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Okay, what's with the bumper sticker reference TCK? If you're going to criticize the man, at least make it original. Or claim that you saw it on a bumper sticker. And I agree with Crane on this. Give the man time. And some latitude.
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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No offense geniuses... but we have to give him time, he's the president until 2012.

My own personal opinion, as we're all entitled to, is that he won't keep his campaign promises.

Time will tell. wink

I want Obama to work toward a better America, I don't see him doing that. I see him attempting to further his own agendas. People are going broke and unemployment benefits are expiring. Obama is going to suggest extending the benefits an additional 13 weeks... while he focuses on health care. My own opinion is that Obama should focus on what it takes to bring back jobs, instead of delaying the problem by 13 weeks while he pursues a less important cause.

Mind you - I didn't worship Bush and give him carte blanche either. I'm neither republican or democrat. People who blindly follow political party leadership aren't too bright in my opinion.

These presidents don't need worshipers, they need people to tell them to get to work.

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48mrg
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HOTn4U
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If we give Obama anymore time, we'll be calling ourselves. "Little China".

Obama stands for bigger Goverment. Personally, I don't need the goverment telling me how to take care of my family.

I don't need goverment taking care of my family either. I can do that myself.

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48mrg
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crane
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hotn4u....now this is only based on what i've seen on the media and one or two Obama speeches, but Obama's intent is to make goverment health care 'available', not 'mandatory'...for those who can't afford it themselves...granted, you say we'll be calling ourselves 'little china' if we give Obama more time....what you forget is that we were already headed in that direction BEFORE he took over....change won't happen overnight...he also said many of the changes he wants might not take place within his first term...but at least the man is tryin to get out of the hole that Bush spent the last 8 years deepening...and as teek bro eloquently put it, he'll be in office until 2012...so whether you agree or not, we have to give him more time.
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HOTn4U
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Hey, 48mrg, just a hint. NO is the word your looking for.

As for fat women. Honey, look in the mirror. Your not skinny by a long shot. Nice trailer behind you.

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crane
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on the other side of the coin, i really don't like what he's doing with the whole missle defense action....the rep of America in the eyes of the world has already been drastically dimished thanks to Bush, his move to shut down the missle defense project in Europe makes it that much worse...they should have at least came up with a different solution to that issue BEFORE taking action...in general that's what the problem is with the government now, anyway....yet these are the same people we vote into office....whether it is Obama, Hillary, or anyone else that could have gotten voted president, now or in the future, we should all have been aware that promises are always made to suede voters in favor of a candidate, and half of them won't be kept...to me using the fact that obama isn't keeping up with his promises shouldn't come as a suprise to anyone....it's so commonplace really that it shouldnt' even be held against him at this point....my personal stance is, I'll believe it when I see it....but again, he's only 9-10 months in his term...people need to understand that shit won't turnaround in a year or two, with things as bad as they are.
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"tryin to get out of the hole that Bush spent the last 8 years deepening..."

Health care reform is somehow related to a hole that Bush put us in?

That's ridiculous, isn't it?

How about Obama doing something to ENCOURAGE employment, or, something to end a couple of wars?

No, obama is concentrating 98% of his efforts on health care reform.

Sorry people but you can't lay that one on Bush, nice try. wink

Crane man, I love you, but you've been brainwashed. smile

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(Side note - 48mrg the child molester sent me a scathing email because I deleted his posts. Poor 48mrg didn't like that, lol)
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Sorry Crane, but he (Obama) did say yesterday on TV that it would be mantatory. It ought to be a choice. I think health care needs reform and should be available and cheaper to those who "chose" to pay for it. But"mantatory insurance", never. I am one of the millions who choses not to buy it. Stay healthy, its cheaper.
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48mrg
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what wrong gayboy. you think you can shout me up. fat chance loser. faggot
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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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Ha! When I deleted his posts I must have struck a nerve! smile
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The flaws of this country cannot be blamed on just one or a handful of men. The problems go back further than any of us alive. When the first man stepped onto this great land, he was already screwing it up. The woman standing behind him should have pushed him off the gangplank. Men are creatures of action, whether smart or stupid. Women talk things out and come to reasonable compromises. Besides, if women had run the country when the Colonists first declared sovreignty from England, we would have gotten half of England's stuff. And if Columbus had stopped to ask for directions...

jmho

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Ron_092
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LOL. I like that MBN. Only one fly in the ointment. . . her name was Maggie. But I guess in general I have to agree with you. smile

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48mrg
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know i always call chicken shits like you a faggot. i know your a coward. oh guess i should be afraid. you were in the air force. oh i,m shaken
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"Asked by Letterman about the wisdom of the war in Iraq, Mr. Obama said, "because Saddam Hussein is not there, that's a good thing. He was somebody who certainly had aspirations to cause a lot of trouble."

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Um... Obama seems to have changed his mind about the Iraq War? wink

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From FOXnews (Obama refused to appear on Fox... wonder why?)

On crisis after crisis, the president is taking a "barackwards" approach, rejecting immediate actions that would solve problems now, help people quickly, and win him trust with the majority of Americans. Here are seven examples:

1. Regarding his $900-billion health care fix President Obama says, 'Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.' If thats true, why not show that government can actually do that first, before we drastically increase spending, the nations debt, and government control over our health care?

2. Regarding the 'achievement gap', high dropout rates, and violence plaguing many schools, why not give those mostly black and Hispanic students and their families the hope and change they desperately need? Why not defy intransigence by the teachers unions and allow school choice, charter schools and privately-funded opportunity scholarships?

3. Regarding energy independence and lowering energy costs, why not permit more nuclear power plants to be developed in our own country as soon as possible, as France and Japan have already donesafely? Why not consent to more environmentally responsible domestic oil drilling now, whether onshore or offshore, even while we test the feasibility of alternative sources of energy?

4. Regarding economic revival and the development of world markets for U.S. goods, why repeat the mistake that helped trigger the Depressionthe imposition of trade barriers, such as the cap and trade bills carbon tax on imports and a new 35 percent tariff on Chinese tires? Instead, why not buck the labor unions, special interests and Democrats in Congress by fast tracking more free trade agreements with other countries?

5. Regarding job creation, with national unemployment at a 26-year high (and expected to rise), why not immediately cut taxes and regulations much more on small businesses which, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce and Bureau of the Census, created 78.9 percent of the nation's net new jobs?

6. Regarding terrorism, why not investigate terrorists more aggressively rather than going after the CIA?

7. Regarding government ethics, why not have a singlerather than a doublestandard? Elected and appointed officials need to abide by the same laws they require regular citizens to follow.

The true test of leaders is how they use power. President Obama will either be just another mediocre politician or an historic statesman depending on whether he shifts his power levers forwards or 'barackwards'.

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I especially concur with item #4 above regarding jobs.

Obama is doing NOTHING to encourage job creation, and I believe this is a BIG issue.

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Yes, Obama does nothing. He doesn't talk, walk or make decisions. He sits there... doing nothing. wink

C'mon the man is trying to reform healthcare, manage 2 wars and deal with a recession which is likely over. He wants people to have jobs and he's well aware of the need for jobs out there. Give the guy a fighting chance. It hasn't even been a year for christ sake. It's true what he says, it took us years to get into this mess, it's going to be years getting out. Just good ol' truth. Gotta love it.

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So you believe that:

1.) health care is the most important issue facing our nation.

2.) Obama is spending the appropriate amount of time on important issues.

3.) you are satisfied with Obama's progress.

If you can honestly answer those three questions With a 'yes', then...

... OH HAPPY, HAPPY DAY! wink

(I honestly have to answer no to all three, just the way I see it, glad you're HAPPY...!)

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the recession is not over, not by what i see, take a closer look at the numbers of people laid off.
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Manny, hi, when the people run out of unemployment benefits and they have no jobs, will they be able to better afford the more affordable health care?

Or will they need money first? Or is Obama's plan just to give health care away?

(I'm with ya... the recession is FAR from over... and people need JOBS. wink

I hope Obama hurries up with his health care venture and does something to encourage employment.

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The recession as we've seen it is over. In other words, the worst is over. Jobs? I just got a job for a family run HVAC company just yesterday. There's plenty of work out there, just have to know where to find it. There are pell grants still available to those who want to go to school and take it seriously, which is exactly what I've done. However, if your plan is to sit on unemployment benefits then your going nowhere quick. I used my time wisely, and now I've been rewarded. There are jobs, but do people have what it takes to switch up and learn something new. I think this is very important for people to understand. If I can do it, why can't they? wink
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congrats Josh on your new job, but their is still over 2.8 million americans out of work. Obama inherited a mess but the strategy he has employed is not bringing the country back -- he's actually making things far worse. I see nothing he is doing that will actually help the economy. In fact, just the opposite. So, while he isn't to blame for the mess he was in, he owns ALL of it now and people are losing patience.
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Obama doesn't have a magic wand. Like I said in my last post, people have to get up and do something about it. There are needs everywhere. I mean, what do you want him to do? People are looking to Obama for a job, but they should be looking at themselves for a job. I did it, so it's absolutely plausible that anyone else can do it. This whole recession thing is more pyschologic than anything. If people want to sit around and mope, well then that's what they're gonna get. The jobs are out there, but employers want trained professionals which means they need to get back to school. Look I lost my job, but I went back to school thanks to the federal gov't and now I'm OK. I'm sick of hearing about jobs, people have been losing jobs since this country began. It's part of life.
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Also, I see there are many fast food and rest. jobs available. Hey, it may be doing dishes but I did it. If you need the money that bad, go work for less. This whole business of people losing patience with Obama is (with all due respect) a crock of shit.
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48 is warning us of his presence again.
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Wow, congratulations Josh! And I agree with you: individual gumption and resourcefulness is what'll bring us back. Part of that is the individuals considering setting for less than their dream, at least temporarily, and working toward it as a goal. Maybe that means a different job, maybe that means part-time, maybe that means by contract. But if a people looks to the government to solve their problems, the government will take care of their problems - and more - THE GOVERNMENT'S WAY. Yikes.
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Josh, I disagree with you. There are not "many fast food and rest. jobs available" out there...at least not here in Las Vegas. How do I know? Because I've been out there looking. Currently the official unemployment rate is 13.4% here; unofficially, it is as high as 19%. I have been trying to find a different job since I am not happy with the one I have and have had no luck.

Also, where do you sign up for these wonderful Pell grants? I sure didn't have much luck when I tried; all of my educational costs are being paid with loans and out of my own pocket.

I'm not saying the government should be the ones to fix everything, but I do feel they are focusing on the wrong issues at this time. The recession is not over; don't you think that dealing with the unemployment issue is more important than a stagnant healthcare issue that's been around for years?

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http://www.ed.gov/programs/fpg/index.html

There ya go. Perhaps you should've tried earlier? I don't know but it's available. I recieved it.

Stagnant healthcare? Costs go up each year and insurance companies are dropping people like flies for their own gain. This will be the next big "crash" sooner or later, gauranteed. Nobodies denying it either.

Nro, it's not Obamas job to seek employment for others. It's at the individuals discretion to seek employment. He can only do so much. So if he were to magically create jobs, who's trained to do them? My point is, people have to seek oppurtunities such as going back to class or finding something less than stellar for the time being. This is capatilism, you can make money any way you want. The jobs are out there, if they're not around you, then relocating may or may not be an option. Why rely on gov't to fix this issue? The unemployment rate is 10 percent here in Ohio and yet all I see are 18 year olds working at McDonalds. This tells me that whoever is unemployed aren't flipping burgers to make a living, they'd rather rely on Obama. Bad move.

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Ive said it before, and I will say it again.... The government cannot create permanent jobs. For that, it will take consumer spending. Consumer spending accounts for about 70 percent of economic activity. Its simple really, consumers spend more and raise demand for products and services, employers, in turn have to hire more people to get the job done, then workers have more money to spend. It seems that people are starting to loosen their wallets again, which is a good thing.
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crane
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I agree with nro and the rest who say the recession isn't over....we can all take a certain stance, but the fact is there are a lot of reasons why the recession isn't over...but the two most important factors to consider are:

a) the diversity of jobs and skill sets required vs. skill sets and jobs people are actually trying to get, and

b) population of the cities across the nation vs. the people in them - it's only rational to think in an area where more people live (such as manhattan and NYC) there will be more jobs available, just because of the sheer number of companies, businesses, and firms that offer them...the more industrious the city, the more availability the jobs will be (this is compared to a geographical scale across the nation) ....but this is all speaking in very general terms...

My point being, just because one or two companies in a given area might have opened, or another factory is being built, and jobs are being offered, doesn't mean the recession is over. If you ask me, if you're not retired or too young to work, the recession is over when EVERYONE who can work has a job....and that's pulling off Mission Impossible if that happens.

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In my opinion the gov't can create/encourage jobs. And I'm not the only one thinks so. Here is the reasoning behind the opinions:

"4. Regarding economic revival and the development of world markets for U.S. goods, why repeat the mistake that helped trigger the Depression the imposition of trade barriers, such as the cap and trade bills carbon tax on imports and a new 35 percent tariff on Chinese tires? Instead, why not buck the labor unions, special interests and Democrats in Congress by fast tracking more free trade agreements with other countries?"

* Make the U.S.A. a country business wants to do business in.

* Ask yourself - why does industry move to Mexico?

* What can our government do to make industry WANT to locate in the USA?

* (Note: giving unions more power is a certain job killer, all industry will leave.)

* Crazy thought - how can we be more like Mexico?

Sure, everyone wants high wages... but guess what... it ain't gonna happen.

Josh is right in one respect - when the unemployment $$ run out watch how many adults start working in the fast food places. People aren't looking very hard for jobs when they can get free unemployment $$.

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The second point, which has been pointed out earlier, is you have citizens of this nation who are too lazy, too unmotivated and too narcisistic (don't know if that's spelled right) to get up off their ass and actively engage for a job....

One thing I was tired of hearing was that when I was outprocessing the army, everyone used the excuse that the economy is a recession, and that's why I should stay in...It took determination, self-motivation, and research on MY part to prove them wrong. The skill sets I have from a 10 year carrer in the military I'm able to manifest into a 23.50/hr full-time job not because I'm a military veteran, but because I did my research, I reached out and resourced, did the WORK necessary to find me a steady full-time job. Logistics, Medical, Clerical, etc..these are the types of jobs in high demand right now....going into the future, it will practically be imperative (if it isn't already) that you need a profound set of computer skills along with your ability to look at numbers and statictics and analyze trends....if you're too lazy to groom yourself and adapt yourself to the technology (this is not directed at anyone, unless it applies)...then you deserve to have your sorry ass sitting on a couch in your Section 8 apartment crying to the world woe is me, looking for another quick paycheck....

Out of all the people who worry about the recession, most of them will not even attempt to continue to resource and look for opportunities in their community or abroad.....

....and these are usually the same people who are quick to recieve government help, then complain about it.

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damn, teek....i should have read that post before makin my own...lol...i rambled on too much...hahaha...i agree with you, though...I also thing that same concept is why the government is stepping and trying to control healthcare the way they are now...
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"the recession is over when EVERYONE who can work has a job....and that's pulling off Mission Impossible if that happens."

It seems we have two different views of a recession. The psychologic aspect of it, where everyone seems to be on a spending freeze, is over. Credit is flowing, businesses are starting to regain momentum and most of all consumers are starting to spend. Jobs, IMO, are not an indication of the overall economic picture. Jobs will be lost just as new jobs are bound to be created. For awhile, there will be job losses, but in the long run as the economy picks up more steam you'll see more jobs created. It all depends on us. I chose to do something about it and came up with something. Like I said, it's all on the individual. That's where it starts.

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Josh...we don't have two different views of the recession...you said it yourself "..when the buisnesses pick up more steam, you'll see more jobs created." It's just that I cannont in all good consious say that the recession is over just because the industries, banks, and credit foundations are starting to work their way back up...to me a recession is really over when all of what you said has come to pass, and it has been maintained for a long time...indeed, banks, businesses, etc. are starting to roll back, and I also agree that it all starts with the individual...

One thing I do like is that when I go out to do my daily deeds and i talk to random people, slowly but surely there's a lot more optimism in the eye of the American citizen. To me that IS a testament to change, because whether false hope or not, people are starting to realize as a whole that the enconomy is being controlled by the individual...more and more people are starting to see that when things get bad and they take action (like stop spending money), it has an impact...as well as when they do. A lot of times it makes me feel like the American people are finally starting to wake up and realize the power that they have to affect things on the national scale....so indeed the recession in itself is 'receeding', but it's not over yet.

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Tck, I agree with you that the government should be doing more to encourage companies in "in-sourcing" their employment instead of sending it to other countries with less restrictions, lower wages, etc.

Josh, I never said the government should be responsible for finding employment for Americans, I just said that they should be focused on dealing with the unemployment issue. Changing some of the current labor laws would have a huge impact on some of the companies that currently are outsourcing their employment.

I see people working in fast food, restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations, and various other minimum wage jobs here that are not 18 year-olds, but 30 and 40 year-olds. I have people every day come into the gas station where I work to ask for an application and see if we are hiring; most of them are not young either. I'm not sure about your part of the country but while some people in Vegas are sitting on their asses, there are many more actively searching for employment and not finding it.

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*applauds NRO*

Sad to say I have christened this administration "The Titanic Presidency"

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On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a

two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would require all

Members and their staffs to enroll in any new government-run health plan. It

took me less than a minute to sign up to require our congressmen and senators

to drink at the same trough! Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming

of Louisiana!

*** Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an

amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same

healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously

exempt).

*** Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and

sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have immediately done

just that at: http://fleming.house.gov.

*** http://fleming.house.gov/index.html

*** Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!

*** If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have

to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families.

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"under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt"... WHY...? wink

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Now they need to have their special retirement plan terminated. They should only get Social Security.
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Yup, if these bastards had to use what they're suggesting (mandating?) for everyone we would see some fast changes.

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Nro-

I saw a thing on the nightly news about the unemployment rate in Las Vegas. I don't really know the economics of Las Vegas but I do know it's vastly different than anywhere in the country. I think my main point is that people are looking to gov't and Obama for help, yet at the same time, the same people are telling him to stay out of anything he is trying to help such as healthcare. As long as there is credit flowing and people spending, oppurtunities exist for ANYONE. I don't care about polls and all that bullshit, all people need to know is that there are jobs out there, but you're going to have to be resourceful and motivated to get there. wink

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Las Vegas?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2651937/The-people-living-in-drains-below-Las-Vegas.html

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There are no jobs in oregon! Yet thous losers who run this state seem to raise our taxes! This great state has always been run by the dems. Weird! I thought the dems were for thou who were poor!
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People would rather praise Obama and government leaders than demand progress.

It's political brainwashing. I'm not pleased with any of their current actions.

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After readings the news today I really truly look forward to the day when the American public, and all of the politicians, realize that government isn't about democrats vs. republicans, and/or vice-versa.

I cannot believe we allow our leaders to play childish games simply because we support one political party or another.

I am beginning to realize that the U.S.A. right now is getting exactly what the U.S.A. deserves.

I hear so many (way too many) people justifying anything the current administration DOES now, based on their hatred and dislike for what the Bush administration DID in the past. Logically - that makes zero sense. Think about it.

We are getting what we justly deserve, it has become a game of one-ups-manship between democrats and republicans, with the entire welfare of the U.S.A. caught in the middle.

Keep in mind that all of our government leaders, republican or democrat, have everything they need to live out a very comfortable lifestyle. Keep that in mind as they 'stick it' to each other in the name of democrat vs. republican.

As you cheer them on, they all win. They've got to be laughing behind closed doors at our collective stupidity.

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TCK,

I get that feeling alot too. Here we are talking about relatively mundane situations while whats being done to us is faaar worse than our worst nightmares but we don't even know what they may be yet. I don't think the Pres. does this however, I think he really believes in what he says and hopefully he isn't laughing at us behind closed doors. I do think he's overexposing himself on television which to me looks like a weak move. I don't know yet. We'll see.

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Politician = Sellout.

No matter who you think you "know."

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Dear employees,

As you may know, the company will be laying off some employees. It has been noted several cars with "Obama" stickers in our parking lot. You voted for change, and management will be giving you the change you wanted.

The rest of you we will see at the company picnic.

Sincerely,

The Management

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(Ha! Good one, so true....^ McCain would just have been 'more of the same'. wink)

Notice how no one can say anything good about Obama without mentioning how bad Bush WAS...?

Even Obama's own supporters are never gonna let him out of Bush's shadow.

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Well yeah, we are still suffering for Bush's mistakes. We need to remember Bush as much as possible so that we know what NOT to do.
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** What shouldn't we do? (That Obama is doing so GREAT at, lol?)

** Or what is it we should continue NOT doing, lol?

** What exactly were those 'mistakes'...? (That even Obama isn' correcting?)

** Lastly - what has IMPROVED...?

Last week Obama professed upon the wisdom behind removing Saddam from power, and how it was necessary.

There are people that wouldn't mind returning to that 'mistake ridden' Bush era, lol.

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Just my opinion - but I stand by my words - no one can say anything good about Obama without mentioning Bush, that's powerful, and not exactly a compliment. wink

1000 to 1 odds we'll hear a lot more about how good Obama is, always followed by a comparison to Bush. There is no other way to honor Obama than to compare him to a more powerful president.

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Your looking into it too much. It's been what, 8 months? The economy collapsed under who? Bush. We were attacked by terrorist under who? Bush. We dropped the ball on Katrina under who? Bush. We lost respect around the world under who? Bush. We went into a war under false pretenses and lies under who? Bush.

The economy is recovering, slowly but surely. We're catching terrorist and making a name for ourselves around the world again under who? OBAMA. wink Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

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"Your looking into it too much."

I tend to do that... it is called fact gathering. Something that Hillary should have done before voting alongside Bush in favor of the Iraq War.

Hillary Clinton helped to start the Iraq War, Bush couldn't do it alone.

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"We were attacked by terrorist under who? Bush."

I guess that's the end of this conversation. Anyone who even remotely lays the blame for 9-11 on ANYONE other that the actual TERRORISTS is just digging deep into the bullshit pile for something, anything, to say. I find it unbelievable that you or any American would even suggest that a president could have prevented 9-11, that's a disgrace to everyone.

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It's a fact. There was intelligence before it happened that was ignored. The ball was dropped by whoever. I'm not saying directly by the President, but it happened under his watch. We'll never really know, which is another reason why I can't stand that whole administration. Everything they did was sneaky and under the radar, Bush didn't go around explaining himself and getting Americas approval for anything, he just did it. THAT my friend was the closest administration to a socialist agenda as we've come in this country. I mean, at least Obama goes around explaining himself and really believes in what he does whether he's right or wrong. Everybody still finds a way to knock him down. No matter what. You tell me what would happen if any of the above events happened under Obamas watch instead of Bush. I think you know the answer to that.
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"Something that Hillary should have done before voting alongside Bush in favor of the Iraq War.

Hillary Clinton helped to start the Iraq War, Bush couldn't do it alone."

You mean like when Bush was touting false intelligence (or as I like to call it, a lie) that Sadaam had weapons of mass destruction? He had us ALL fooled. Who didn't vote to go to war? OBAMA

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Josh - I enjoy intelligent debate based on fact. You are delusional about facts. You fail to realize that Hillary Clinton and other democrats sided with Bush on the Iraq War, this is a fact.

I will leave you now to your own beliefs, believe whatever you like, but if it is the truth you seek, check your facts. Your statement about 9-11 being anyone's fault except for the low-life terrorists is disappointing.

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Just my opinion - but I stand by my words - no one can say anything good about Obama without mentioning Bush, that's powerful, and not exactly a compliment.

1000 to 1 odds we'll hear a lot more about how good Obama is, always followed by a comparison to Bush. There is no other way to honor Obama than to compare him to a more powerful president.

Any conversation about Obama seems to always turn to Bush.

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"Just my opinion - but I stand by my words - no one can say anything good about Obama without mentioning Bush, that's powerful, and not exactly a compliment.

1000 to 1 odds we'll hear a lot more about how good Obama is, always followed by a comparison to Bush. There is no other way to honor Obama than to compare him to a more powerful president.

Any conversation about Obama seems to always turn to Bush."

Of course people are going to make comparisons to Bush because we are still living with Bush era mistakes. I mean it's plain to see. Who else are we suppose to compare him to, Barbera Streisand? I mean come on, it's perfectly legitimate and necessary to make these comparisons. Should I vote Democrat or Republican? People need to make these comparisons so that they know how the gov't is run be each side. To me, you are trying to say, "Oh get over it, Bush is gone" but in reality we got a dose of what is possible when you vote Republican. So far, I'll take Obama.

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What part of it happened under Bush's watch isn't fact? I'm not blaming Bush for the attack, but I AM blaming him for not taking that intelligence seriously.

Yes, other democrats voted to go to war. He couldn't do it alone. So what did he do? He LIED. Where are the weapons of mass destruction? THAT is a FACT.

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(Before I would vote to go to war I'd check to see if anyone lied first, lol. wink Bush can claim the same defense... "it's not my fault, I was lied to!" It is a LAME excuse that Hillary isn't even using anymore - she just plain admits she was wrong.)

For amusement... ask yourself this... do you know for a 'fact' (be careful, lol) that the weapons of mass destruction do not exist?

I cannot honestly say they do or they don't, of if they ever did. I know they have not been found, that is all I know for a fact.

Is there a possibility the weapons of mass destruction are buried under the desert, maybe even in another country? Possible? If there is a possibility (and there is) no one can state factually that they don't or didn't exist.

So... sorry to say Josh... your fact isn't a fact, is it?

Josh - I'm not talking 'political facts' which are essentially lies, I mean real facts.

(PS - I'm glad to see you are slowly backtracking away from the 9-11 blunder you mentioned. You're still reaching but you and I both know you were wrong on that one. You're beginning to realize you are wrong on the weapons of mass destruction 'fact' too. wink)

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Fact - Hillary Clinton and other democrats voted in favor of the Iraq War.

Fact - President Bush did not act alone in starting the Iraq War.

Fact - There may be weapons of mass destruction.

Next. wink

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"(PS - I'm glad to see you are slowly backtracking away from the 9-11 blunder you mentioned. You're still reaching but you and I both know you were wrong on that one. You're beginning to realize you are wrong on the weapons of mass destruction 'fact' too. "

I will admit, that brought a smile to my face, only because you are totally wrong.

Let me re-arrange these "facts". I guess you're trying to say that because WMD's weren't found doesn't mean they don't exist, correct? Like Santa Clause, easter bunny and the tooth fairy? LOL. Hey I have magical powers to shoot lightning bolts from my ass, can't prove that I don't, right?

Speaking of your point, let's now move onto the 9/11 "blunder".

Hypothesis: If the intelligence given to Bush on 9/11 were taken into consideration, then the necessary steps of a military operation could have eliminated any attempt of an attack.

Now that's not a fact. However, according to your theory of WMD's then this COULD have happened. Right? wink

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according to the Michael Moore film "Farenheit 911", we had the opportunity to take out Bin Laden back in the Clinton years, but everyone was too scared to give the order and let him slip away. As ridiculous as I think Michael Moore is, I do believe this little tidbit, as whenever there is a democrat in charge, all anybody wants to be is politically correct and is afraid to make a move, lest they be prosecuted for it.
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You are correct, it is not a fact. Finally.
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Above post meant in response to Josh ^.

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Gtr

Exactly, shame on Clinton, shame on Bush.

TCK

Yep.

Fact- Obama voted against the war

Fact- 9/11 took place while Bush was in office.

Fact- I dont give a shit about Hillary Clinton

Fact- There were no weapons of mass destruction found. wink

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"in reality we got a dose of what is possible when you vote Republican."

Keep that in mind and you'll never have to do any thinking about politics ever again.

Facts or no facts, lol, just vote democrat.

Brilliant. wink

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama said Friday that "Iran is on notice" regarding its nuclear efforts, and that the international community is united in its opposition to Tehran's nuclear program.

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Barack... shut the f*ck up, asshole.

WTF are you gonna do, get the U.S. involved in a third war?

(Barack needs to know he "is on notice"... to do something, anything successful.)

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Yep. At least until they give me reason not to vote democrat. So far, they look more competent than the Republicans. So far.
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"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama said Friday that "Iran is on notice" regarding its nuclear efforts, and that the international community is united in its opposition to Tehran's nuclear program."

Wow united with support? That hasn't happened since... before Bush. wink

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So something terrible did happen on 9-11-01; who in his right mind would say otherwise? We will almost certainly be living with it for a long time to come.

I also went on to wonder whether Big Government had done anything that would have stopped 9-11 or would stop another such attack. Surely seizing nail clippers, strip-searching paraplegics and otherwise stopping ordinary citizens ( never Arab that would be "racial profiling"wink at airports was not going to stop another attack. 9-11 illustrated not the need for more Big Government but the utter failure of Big Government.

After all, what were the 19 people who hijacked those planes doing in this country in the first place? They were here in large part because of our absurd, open-door immigration policies. They had learned to fly here. No doubt, had they been refused admission to private flight schools, they could have sued under our own antidiscrimination laws and won. Moreover, some of the 19 who turned planes into flying bombs had expired visas. As if Big Government's refusal to face the reality that we have a serious immigration problem isn't bad enough, a couple of months back, the INS renewed Mohammed Atta's visa along with one other hijacker, sending it to the flight school where he trained. That's right, that's the name of the guy who, according to official accounts, was the local ringleader of the 9-11 attacks. Big Government's computers spit him out a new visa, and no one catches it! Potential terrorists are crossing . Big Government is doing nothing to stop this.

Does anyone still wonder why we don't trust Big Government to take care of us? Perhaps if Osama bin Laden himself shaved off his beard and applied, America's generous bureaucrats would grant him a visa. Yes, some of us have "reflected" plenty following 9-11, and our reflections have led us to wonder whether there is anyone who has the intelligence of a potted plant. Small wonder we were, and still are, vulnerable to attack by foreigners!

the 9-11 attacks were obviously the result of a long period of very careful planning and orchestration. We may have been attacked by suicidal psychopaths, but they were not stupid psychopaths. I found myself wondering: were we supposed to believe that this was going on right under the noses of the largest (and most expensive) intelligence community in the world, and nobody sensed anything? Not even with the World Trade Center having been attacked once before, in 1993? If it was indeed the case that an attack calling for this level of preparation was being planned and no one in our intelligence community detected anything amiss, then that raised the further question: with a level of incompetence that high on open display, why should any rational person trust Big Government to protect us now?

However, that probably isn't the right question. There was a sense that something was up although you had to be paying attention or you would have missed it.

Somebody in the upper echelons suspected something. The question are: what did they suspect, who knew what, and when did they know it? Regrettably, the attention has focused on a more specific question: what did President Bush know? Congressional Democrats in particular have been cynically doing everything in their power to turn this into a partisan contest, something it is not since obviously the Democrats had the same access to information as the Republicans.

I've no theories of my own about anything Bush Jr. personally might have known. But there were resolutions pertaining to "homeland security" on Big Government's web pages dating back to February and May of 2001, respectively. These resolutions were introduced in the Senate. They provide hard evidence that someone was thinking about terrorism on U.S. soil before Sept. 11 and seeing opportunities for expanding the domestic power of the federal government.

It is now clear that Big Government was given specific warnings about Al Qaeda prior to 9-11. Terrorism experts had repeatedly warned of threats from militant Islamic groups operating in this country, having gotten in through our porous borders. At best they were told by their superiors in both the Clinton and the Bush regimes to back off, and at worst, they were vilified. If one connects the dots, the conclusion that someone had foreknowledge that something like 9-11 was about to take place is inescapable. The issue was not if, but when. ?

There are always people who hate, fear, and want to destroy what they do not understand. . But we haven't exactly let Osama bin Laden off the hook. Speaking of him, where is he? Seems no one in Big Government can find him despite the destruction of the regime that was giving him cover, in a country ravaged by over 20 years of war. Military personnel are still looking for him, . Does the "war on terrorism" remind anyone but me of the "war on drugs." That "war" exacerbated drug use and criminal activity while diminishing individual freedoms and privacy in the face of the ever-expanding State. Will this "war" be any different?

Big Government will not stop illegal immigration for fear of offending somebody. We can find direct evidence that Big Government was ready for a circumstance that would allow it to increase its power, and it has surely done so, by leaps and bounds, since 9-11. Big Government was given explicit warnings by terrorism experts and by its own people prior to 9-11 that something was coming. But Big Government was afraid to take any decisive steps that might well have prevented the deaths of over 3,000 innocent people. Finally, Big Government continues making the same, stupid blunders over and over again, domestic and foreign. Its answer to abject failure is to throw more money and power at the failures. So the answer is that we have reflected plenty and concluded that the case for liberty, as opposed to empire, has been strengthened, not weakened, by the 9-11 attacks.

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It is doubtful that Obama will ever be removed from Bush's shadow.

This whole discussion once again simply proves there is nothing to say about Obama without first prefacing the issue of George W. Bush.

I'm thinking Obama is gonna be here for four, then out the door. Lame duck. wink

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i think your missing the point. the only people that our unhappy with Obama. did not vote for him to start with,if you look back in time. both party come into power in sections. i think last president to only serve one term was jimmy carter.
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Obama will be in office until 2016. After that, it will go back to republican.
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48mrg
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yes must likely you are right. i don't know if republicans will be back in office. but buy then we will see.
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come on tck............don't sensor.......listen to the fools...........keep your friends close and your enemies closer...............

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Time will tell what happens. wink

I like the debates though, these forums are awesome.

The responses here help me better prepare to hear the same kinds of responses in real life.

Keep coming back y'all.

(Even 48mrg who hasn't got the sense to find out who the last 4 term president was. wink)

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sorry beach. it was either carter or Gerald ford.
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If I'm not mistaken, the last 4-term U.S. president was FDR?
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ok cool was not really sure.
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i found the site. the last three presidents to serve 4 years or less are Gerald ford / george h bush/jimmy carter, here is link.http://en.allexperts.com/e/l/li/list_of_united_states_presidents_who_served_one_term_or_less.htm
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I got it Ron, lol. wink

The joke is on me 48mrg... I said 4 'term' president, but what I should have said was 1 term (4 years).

If you REALLY want to see how f-u-c-k-e-d up this country CAN be... just elect ME president, lol!

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you just cant admit i,m right dude. you as president would be like the 60s all over again.
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Liz Peek

- FOXNews.com

- September 29, 2009

Mr. Obama, Your Job Is More Jobs.

Right now in our country there are 26 million Americans who need permanent jobs. This is the major challenge facing our country and our president.

President Obama is like the quail hunter who frantically blasts away in all directions as birds sail unpredictably from the underbrush. Last week he tracked Iranian nukes, health care mis-informers, greedy bankers, G-20 imbalancers, the Taliban, balky Middle Eastern adversaries, global polluters and Glenn Beck. (He may have missed Mr. Beck). This week, he will trot off to Copenhagen, adding Olympic deciders to his quarry. In all his flaying about, he is missing the number one target: jobs.

There are 15 million Americans out of work today, and another 2.3 million who have given up looking, but who would like jobs. There are also 9.1 million who are working part-time, but would prefer full-time employment. In all, there are 26 million Americans who need permanent jobs. This is the major challenge facing our country, and Mr. Obama.

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It appears though that Obama is VERY unconcerned about jobs.

Because Obama wants subjects for his new kingdom.

Citizens beholden to him for financial security.

All hail to the self proclaimed king OBAMA...! wink

(One Big Ass Mistake, America)

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it sure as hell does seem that way tck. Its like he and his talking heads keep striking fear into us just to make us keep asking them to do something.... Frankly, I think it is time to start tuning them out when they start with all the pessimistic remarks about the economy, the war and everything else...... They are trying to get us all to demand ever-expanding government control over every little aspect of our lives.... WAKE UP SHEEPLE!* Its time we stopped letting this administration dictate our emotions for us...... Their fear-mongering has caused us to be too scared to spend money without a government program to spearhead it, and now investors are growing pessimistic of the economic recovery that probably would have already happened if we had resumed spending instead of hoarding our money away out of fear. I have been saying it for a while now...... If the stock market crashes again, it will be the consumers to blame not the banks or auto industry this time.

*The phrase "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" was borrowed from spart.

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The 2010 elections are 13 months off - not far in world of politics.

Barack "the Ego" Obama's credibility is severely damaged - the IOC told him to shut it, he lost a LOT of ground on the ridiculous health care reform (that will need several more 'reforms') through in-fighting among his own party members, he has totally ignored the loss of troop life in the wars, his ideas on fixing the economy have blown up in his face (and made the economy even worse), and millions of people need jobs as their unemployment runs out.

Basically Obama's ego has taken first priority over any of the important issues.

Basically Obama has clearly shown he doesn't give a shit about the people at all.

Watch for democratic leaders to distance themselves from the Obama asshead in their attempts to win re-election. watch for democrat leaders to say, "I don't agree with Obama...", just to gain appeal from the voters. Two faced bastards, lol.

They will want to be as far removed from the Obama fool's ideas as possible.

No, voters can't replace Obama just yet, but re-electing other leaders who are doing nothing would simply be a vote for "MORE OF THE SAME", right?

Vote for change, the kind of change these blowhards are ignoring, NOT their change for the worse.

It will be fun to watch! wink

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if you really new what you were talking about. in witch you don't. election come in cycles. Obama will be president until 2016. check the facts.
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Now there's a smart post huh? ^ I'll leave that one up.

It shows that mental retardation does NOT come in cycles - it is permanent.

(48... did you give the 2012 presidential election to Obama already?)

I know, I know... I'm reported. wink

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48, your post was reported to the Designated Local Office and deemed to be too retarded.

Sorry,

Designated Local Office. wink

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In the news today it is indicated that several key democrats are beginning to distance themselves from Obama, particularly on the war issue. Prior to now, democratic voters have been very supportive, and dedicated to Obama.

But after the recent IOC debacle where Obama was embarrassed badly regarding a topic that had no priority of any kind in the eyes of the voters, many democrats are simply seeing Obama's complete non-attention to the war as "more of the same".

The democratic attitude is beginning a shift toward "let's see some progress" on the issues of the war, the economy, the job market, no matter how long it may take and no matter who started the mess. "DO SOMETHING" appears to be the new democratic 'buzz phrase'.

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News media forecast: soon Obama will be suggesting 'high level' meetings behind closed doors.

Public NOT invited. wink

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gtr420
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ummmm 48, how much money did your 401K lose by relying on "cycles"?

Not to provoke or anything, but cycles can be broken.

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Clinton, Gates Say Obama Has Big Decision to Make.

In rare interview, secretaries of state and defense say changes in Afghanistan require strategy reassessment.

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The rats are beginning to migrate away from the slowly sinking Obama ship.

Knowing that Obama is becoming a complete fool in the eyes of the voters, some democrats are distancing themselves, fearing voter retaliation in the 2010 elections.

This will create even more havoc within the democratic party.

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Liz Peek - FOXNews.com - October 05, 2009

Obama Smackdown!

President Obama's Olympic loss in Denmark comes at a bad time for our ambitious young president. He is taking a drubbing on a number of fronts, leading many to wonder whether his well-run campaign and subsequent election wasnt a bit of a fluke.

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He is a professional talker (lawyer) who has never managed anything in his life, now he has the biggest management job in the country. What a system we have. Come to think of it, there are many in congress who fit the same description. They want diversity in Washington? Start with congress. How bout a few butchers, bakers and candlestick makers in congress, and less talkers (lawyers)?
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Congressional leaders fight against posting bills online.

By: Susan Ferrechio

Chief Congressional Correspondent

October 6, 2009

As Congress lurches closer to a decision on an enormous overhaul of the American health care system, pressure is mounting on legislative leaders to make the final bill available online for citizens to read before a vote.

Lawmakers were given just hours to examine the $789 billion stimulus plan, sweeping climate-change legislation and a $700 billion bailout package before final votes.

While most Americans normally ignore parliamentary detail, with health care looming, voters are suddenly paying attention. The Senate is expected to vote on a health bill in the weeks to come, representing months of work and stretching to hundreds of pages. And as of now, there is no assurance that members of the public, or even the senators themselves, will be given the chance to read the legislation before a vote.

"The American people are now suspicious of not only the lawmakers, but the process they hide behind to do their work," said Michael Franc, president of government relations for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

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Congressional leaders KNOW the public won't like what they're doing.

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oh lets here you whine. i so much enjoy here you cry like a baby.
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"The American people are now suspicious of not only the lawmakers, but the process they hide behind to do their work,"

Damned right.

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White House's botched 'op'.

By CHARLES HURT, Post Correspondent

Last Updated: 12:27 PM, October 6, 2009

Posted: 3:05 AM, October 6, 2009

WASHINGTON -- President Obama yesterday rolled out the red carpet -- and handed out doctors' white coats as well, just so nobody missed his hard-sell health-care message.

In a heavy-handed attempt at reviving support for health-care reform, the White House orchestrated a massive photo op to buttress its claim that front-line physicians support Obama.

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Obama must truly believe American citizens are retarded.

"Here everyone, put on a white coat, look like a doctor so I look smart talking to you."

(Obama is gonna need a white coat soon - a straitjacket... he's LOSING it.)

I hope everyone who still supports this 'do nothing' fool likes being treated like a retard. wink

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Bump^
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October 14, 2009:

Obama on jobs: 'We are moving in the right direction'.

Denial, plain and simple. wink

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As President Obama deliberates over whether to send tens of thousands more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, one name is emerging as the hope of the anti-war left and enjoying somewhat of a public image rehabilitation.

It's all about Joe.

Vice President Joe Biden has been the leading skeptic in the administration toward Gen. Stanley McChrystal's call for escalating the war with 40,000 more troops. While the commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan has had the public support of top military voices like Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen, Biden has won many officials over with his argument that the strategy should focus more on taking out top Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan with drones and Special Forces and shifting security responsibility to the Afghans.

With his cynicism, Biden is being cast as the wise man of foreign policy -- a far cry from the gaffe-prone uncle image he had, even seemingly within the administration, after Inauguration Day. He has emerged as the anti-Cheney, a highly influential adviser to the president arguing for military restraint rather than military escalation.

"Why Joe Is No Joke," blares the cover of Newsweek. The centerpiece article explains how Biden has firmed up his status in the White House, and how his "once lonesome position now has high-level support" regarding Afghanistan. The article calls Biden a "truth teller" and a "political realist" who is a force to be reckoned with.

A New York Times article Wednesday portrayed Biden the same way, describing him as the "in-house pessimist" who has gradually won backing from within the administration.

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Watch Joe Biden rise amidst the fall of Obama.

Politics make for strange bedfellows indeed.

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Seems to me Biden may get thrown under the bus. Have you seen the Huffington Post article?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-joe-biden-should-resi_b_320929.html

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Arianna Huffington, Posted: October 14, 2009 02:32 PM

Why Joe Biden Should Resign.

Joe Biden met with CENTCOM chief Gen. David Petraeus this morning to talk about Afghanistan -- an issue that has pushed the vice president into the spotlight, landing him on the cover of the latest Newsweek.

I have an idea for how he can capitalize on all the attention, and do what generations to come will always be grateful for: resign.

The centerpiece of Newsweek's story is how Biden has become the chief White House skeptic on escalating the war in Afghanistan, specifically arguing against Gen. McChrystal's request for 40,000 more troops to pursue a counterinsurgency strategy there.

The piece, by Holly Bailey and Evan Thomas, opens with details of a September 13th national security meeting at the White House. Biden speaks up:

"Can I just clarify a factual point? How much will we spend this year on Afghanistan?" Someone provided the figure: $65 billion. "And how much will we spend on Pakistan?" Another figure was supplied: $2.25 billion. "Well, by my calculations that's a 30-to-1 ratio in favor of Afghanistan. So I have a question. Al Qaeda is almost all in Pakistan, and Pakistan has nuclear weapons. And yet for every dollar we're spending in Pakistan, we're spending $30 in Afghanistan. Does that make strategic sense?" The White House Situation Room fell silent.

Being Greek, I'm partial to Biden's classic use of the Socratic method -- skillfully eliciting facts in a way that lets people connect the dots that show how misguided our involvement in Afghanistan has become.

It's been known for a while that Biden has been on the other side of McChrystal's desire for a big escalation of our forces there -- the New York Times reported last month that he has "deep reservations" about it. So if the president does decide to escalate, Biden, for the good of the country, should escalate his willingness to act on those reservations.

What he must not do is follow the same weak and worn-out pattern of "opposition" we've become all-too-accustomed to, first with Vietnam and then with Iraq. You know the drill: after the dust settles, and the country begins to look back and not-so-charitably wonder, "what were they thinking?" the mea-culpa-laden books start to come out. On page after regret-filled page, we suddenly hear how forceful this or that official was behind closed doors, arguing against the war, taking a principled stand, expressing "strong concern" and, yes, "deep reservations" to the president, and then going home each night distraught at the unnecessary loss of life.

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My opinion - Biden makes sense, Obama makes blunders and has NO explanations.

YES - Obama may try to throw Biden under a bus... but will we see that as Obama being protective of his blundering? wink

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Read this article too.......it was good and makes sense. I was surprised at the estimate of how many Al Qaeda are left in Afghanistan.......and we're spending what? to get them?
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I could tell, right from that first address obama made to congress that Biden was NOT 100% behind Obama jsut from the expressions he was making (you know, the "yeah right, not if I can help it" look?). Now it just seems obvious that Biden got in to keep Obama in check...... Now if we can only get Biden to get rid of the "Pay Czar" to keep corporate espionage from running rampant over the next 10 years or so.
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Excuses wearing thin for Obama.

Chicago Sun Times, October 20, 2009, BY STEVE HUNTLEY

Have you heard the news? President Obama inherited an economic mess from the Bush administration.

You say that's hardly news? But it's been the message sounded over and over by the White House. Top Obama adviser David Axelrod said on one of the Sunday news shows, "He walked in the door, we had the worst economy since the Great Depression." In San Francisco, Obama talked of being "busy with our mop." White House heavy hitter Rahm Emanuel used the worst-economy-since-the-Depression line on a public TV news show.

You'd think it's October 2008, the final month in the Obama presidential candidacy, rather than October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency. Yet the Obama White House is in full campaign mode -- maybe because it needs to mask the shortcomings of the Obama presidency.

Take, for example, all the talk of inheriting the worst economy since the 1930s crisis. That came in response to the news that the federal deficit hit $1.4 trillion.

Yet just a few months ago, the Obama camp was singing a little different tune. It was under criticism for the $787 billion stimulus package it bulldozed through Congress on grounds that massive spending was needed to keep the unemployment rate from breaching 8 percent. When joblessness hit 9.5 percent in June, Vice President Joe Biden said, "We misread how bad the economy was."

They inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, or the economy turned out to be worse than they thought. Which is it? It can't be both -- unless your brain is completely addled by the Obama charisma.

Obama is still popular, but polls show the public losing faith in his policies. Another indicator was a ''Saturday Night Live'' skit lampooning Obama for the major accomplishments of his administration -- "jack and squat." If the honeymoon is ending with the American voter, it isn't for obsequious elements of the mainstream media. CNN prostrated itself by fact-checking the ''SNL'' comedy skit.

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Have the subjects finally realized that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes?

Obama is making a total jackass out of all of his followers, and I think he and Michelle laugh about it at night, lol.

Obama says to Michelle, "I just keep blaming everything on Bush and these shitheaded idiots love me all the more. I'll keep doing it until they finally figure me out, but by then I'll have figured out another way to appease the moronically gullible fools, lol." wink

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Obamas election was a good thing. Perhaps it will incite people to hang all politicians high and forget the petty/childish republican/democrat bullshit.

They all play the game. When lobbyists are gone and it is illegal for a bill to have anything but what the bill is about written into it AND government employees get the same medical plan they want to give the rest of us and the pressure to spend all a departments budget or it gets cut among many other things actually comes to pass, then we can stop lynching the bastards!

Anyone with me?

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Now as to the spell..... It's the same reason people make the same bad relationship mistakes, we impulse buy, cheesy commercials work, transparent political ploys work.

The herd moves with a herd mentality. It takes guts to be a stubborn individual prick who doesn't need their hand held and be part of the pack. I voted for Nader and will again if he runs. I voted for Pero 2ice-baked smile Change will come when people have the guts for actual change. So far I don't see it.

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What is shocking to me is that even after TARP, stimulus, the regular annual budget, bailouts of banks, financial firms, auto dealers, ties with ACORN, yada yada yada, his approval rating is still hovering around 50%. It just goes to show you I simply cannot related to many of my fellow Americans. Our thinking is so much different that I cannot even fathom their point of view given the facts at hand.
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Obama thinks people are too stupid to stand on their own, he feels the government should provide everything for the stupid people.

And that's why dumb, stupid, ignorant people still love Obama. He's gonna be their savior.

(And Twice-baked... I am VERY proud to say I am neither republican or democrat for all of the reasons you mentioned. When I criticize Obama some douchebag always accuses me of being a republican, but I could give a shit about republicans or democrats, I want to see RESULTS no matter who is in office. And in the next election I am voting for whoever is NOT currently in office. I'll do my part to vote all of those motherfvckers OUT.)

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I think too many folks get caught up in the left/right, dem/repub, liberal/conservative etc... etc.., paradigms to stop and take a real look at what's happening to and in this country.

I believe that kind of argumentive debate keeps folks from discovering our own truths and solutions to the problems we face.

I see in this post folks mostly disagreeing on the who/what/when/where and how of blame. Our media does the same when they aren't covering the latest episode in a long, steamy sequence that previously has featured O.J. Simpson, Joey Buttafucco, Anna Nicole Smith, Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Michael Jackson and Balloon Boy.

What's the old saying about cake and circuses?

I see our governmental and economic systems (one synonymous with the other IMHO) much like a train. It's been on this track for a long time heading for the same destination. It's not so much any given engineer who's at the throttle, (though some take us much faster, expensively, or precariously than others), any more than it is the numerous unseen switchmen that have regulated, deregulated, legislated, bought, paid and lobbied, etc., for whatever conditions prevailed at any given section of the track.

The fact is they have all been working with getting the train to the destination they seem to have in mind and we as passengers can only guess at, because we have our own individual destinations and schedules that concern us, rather than the entire collective.

In order to predict with any accuracy at all where the train might be going, one must look at where the train started and where it is now.

The "recession" is not anywhere near over nor will it be anytime soon. Just because we are creating "wealth" (read printing money with nothing to back it) and using it to fund, which will fuel a temporary surge creating the illusion that the "recession" is ending. This will fuel an unfounded optimism which the markets will reflect, which will create some capital expenditures thus temporarily fuel the economy. Unfortunetly the complexity of this new global economic model will eventually wear away to reveal the underlying fact that the foundation that used to sustain us has suffered from dry-rot and infestation.

Over the course of just a few decades an America that despite its problems had been the envy of the world, has been transformed. Facilitated by the financiers, a nation of robust manufacturing, millions of Mom-and-Pop shops, family farms and vital small towns has succumbed to fast food and supermarket chains, gigantic Frankenfood farms the size of small countries, sprawling malls, hideous big box stores, eyesore franchised convenience stores, franchises for everything from mattresses to eyeglasses. America is unrecognizable. With individuality and creativity stifled it has become a one size, one look, one layout, one uniform nation a cacophony of monotony. And we blindly follow one lie after another, not believing in the enormity of the deception which has been fed to us in time released capsules over decades of disillusion.

In the simplicity of their minds, people more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have such impudence. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and continue to think that there may be some other explanation.

Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

I used to be an avid consumer of news "Made in the USA" but rarely watch or listen anymore. I've taken on the impossible burden of researching and summarizing my own news, and it's no easy task.

Therefore I won't engage in debate here as to what or whom is to blame. I only state that to truly have a realistic understanding one has to go far back in the history of this country and look at the socio-economic policies that have been developed, the legislation that has been enacted or repealed and how that has affected where we are today and in so doing we may at least draw a conclusion of where we might be going and plan accordingly.

In our modern government/corporate system , their own interests overide those of the individual and will until the people of this country put an end to it. Change will not come in the form of a political messiah. Change we can believe in happens by getting out there and getting your hands dirty, not electing another government/corporate shill to sell it to us.

In the end the questions we should be asking ourselves are, where are we going? How are we getting there, and lastly but not least in importance is why?

To comment on the original post we are getting more of the same, it's just got a "new and improved" labeling on a newly designed box.

I could touch upon some of the other subjects mentioned here (unemployment, military/industrial complex, etc.) but all in all the conditions for their existance and a presentation of factual eveidence would be too complex and lengthy to cover without taking pages and pages to do so.

In the end we all agree, we are facing some huge challenges and obstacles in this country and most of us have lost faith in our government to solve them for us.

I think many who go into public serive may have initially been idealistic in their intent, but when faced with the harsh realities of financial interests vs. public interests, succumb to the staus quo.

Let's face it, we the people of this country just aren't as well funded.

My few sense...

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Please excuse typos and missing punctuation, seems the blog software removed some of the punctuation and the small window when I was writing I overlooked some typos. Guess I'm a stickler for details...

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For those interested:

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977862054

Obama lost the initial court battle over his birth. He appartently applied to college as a foreign student, but the Judge in the case has hired Dunn's husband to clerk for him.

Very interesting stuff.

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Starfire58
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PS, I have not heard anything by any news outlet about this. It was in the Libertarian news letter which I am hoping to get a copy of.
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Obama looses Initial Court Case.

October 20, 2009 03:05 PM EDT

Obamas team lost their argument that as President, he did not have to prove his Citizenship. Obama has been using the DOJ to shield him from the court, but this failed to work, this time as United States Federal District Court Judge David Carter, ruled that Obama is not above the law.

Obama has been using the DOJ to say that he was protected by the 25th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution, again showing his lack of understanding of the Constitution. Judge Carter threw out his defense in that it does not protect someone if they are elected under false pretenses, and that impeachment is only to be applied if everything before that issue was legal.

If Obama is found that his Birth certificate is false as some experts have suggested, then this will make his election null and void. It will also open Obama and many members open for criminal charges.

Judge Carter, found enough points of interests to justify a case, and will be hearing the case January 26, 2010.

The DOJ argued that only Congress and or the Electoral College could decide on Obamas eligibility. United States Justice Foundation argued that this was false, and Judge Carter after checking this information, ruled in favor of USJF. It also came out, that Vise President Cheney failed to ask for Objections to the vote of the Electoral College. Which was his duty as VP. Which was something the DOJ should have brought out, but the USJF did instead.

From what I have read, it seems Obama put together a team from the DOJ that was very poorly prepared. I would put this as he has had little need to prove much fact, and people believed him, as showed by the numbers that voted for him in the last election; it seems now Obama felt he needed little proof to support his claim to a honest Judge.

Well see how this plays out come January. We may just end up with a new President, or all the hub-bub about his Citizenship status could all be disproven. This could also be coming at a dangerous time for Obama. With the issues still about ACORN and his involvement in what is clearly being shown as a crooked Organization, although many already knew that, and other factors showing a darker side of Obama that many did not want to see. This case could be Obamas Waterloo.

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This is the article from Star's link.

Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate. He may not have one!

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Starfire58
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I want to know more about this foreign student issue and about the Michelle having been disbarred. Then there was this article that was not scrubbed (most news has been scrubbed about the Obamas').

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

Date: June 27, 2004

The Headline reads "Kenyan born Obama all set for US Senate."

Sunday Standard online edition.

I am not a birther, yet... there seems to be some slight of hand going on here.

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10/21/2009 9:51:38 AM
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Very well said CE! Recorded history has been very kind to the industrial tycoons at the turn of the last century. The Carnegies, Mellons, Rockefellers, et al... and of course their dear friend, the print magnante William R Hearst, who made them look that good in print! And although they all were great philanthropists later in life, it was their callous disregard for the individual worker and the environment at the turn of the century that set the stage for many of the issues that exist today.

Interesting that you use a train as an analogy in lieu of the fact that it was the railroad tycoons that had many laws enacted regarding imminent domain that literally changed the face of America in favor of the few and the wealthy.

Additional defining moments were changing the FCC regulations in the 70's and 80's regarding ownership of tv and radio stations. The founding fathers of the FCC felt it important that no one entity control too much of the airwaves due to the possible influence/conflict of interest such ownership might create. There was a time not so long ago when a person/company could not own a tv station and a radio station in the same broadcast area! Today only a handful of networks broadcast almost everything we hear or see or read in America.

When the antitrust laws, originally created to avoid monopolies in the marketplace, were overturned in the mind 80's, it started the cascade of "takeovers" that have resulted in the Walmarts of today.

The changes were slow and not always so obvious at face value to the average citizen, but the powers that be and their legal eagles knew what they were doing.

And for the record, I am not a conspiracy theorist, although organizations like the Ivy League Skull and Crossbones no doubt has its own brand of influence behind the scenes, rather the driving force behind what America has become has a single common denominator, greed.

Since I was raised to believe that if you complain about something you should offer a solution, my suggestion is this. All elected representatives of this country are elected for one term for a limit of 6 years. Every two years we clean house and elect a third of Congress and the Senate. No elected official can make more than, say, $100,000 a year in any manner. Every two years we vote on any major new laws, bills or amendments. When we finally have a government of the people and for the people, we may find ourselves headed in a new direction.

When people represent this country as a civic duty and not as an opportunity to line their pockets and their friends pockets (insert lobbyists) America, the land of the free and the brave, will get better.

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Sorry for the misspellings, I didn't proofread it til just now. It should be eminent and magnate to mention a few... hopefully you are not distracted from the gist of my commentary.
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10/26/2009 2:04:31 PM
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Quoting CE

"I believe that kind of argumentive debate keeps folks from discovering our own truths and solutions to the problems we face."

Yes. And this will continue. Those in office propagate it and count on it. Redirection of thought. Spin is in.

The fact is the status quo in government will not change because of the massive infrastructure/mind set that grinds up and spits out the people like Pero and Nader. No one wants to hear the truth. We live the lie every day. We consume the most energy of all the countries in the world, Waste the most resources in general. Our largest employer Walmart is setting the standard for the quality of American jobs and consumer products. We are a throw away packaged society with plastic hopes and dreams.

We thrive on "reality" TV. The land of boob jobs, pregnant teenagers, where people trade stock in health care, live on plastic. In fact I would say the huge cesspool of floating plastic that swirls in the ocean killing fish and chemically altering the environment is a poster child for this country.

It's what we want. WHO WE ARE! It's WHAT WE ARE!

We are the consumer. Less than human blindly waiting to be implanted with our chip. Letting plastic run our plastic lives so we can spend beyond our means and live the lie we embrace because we deserve it.

Tater hangs his head in contemplation with morbid fascination at the thoughts he has conveyed.

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10/26/2009 2:30:58 PM
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And the solution is..............???
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Twice_baked_taders
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"And the solution is..............???"

is.........?

What do you mean solution? We ARE living our dream.

Solutions are only possible when a problem is perceived.

Majority rules, the majority says there is no problem therefore a problem does not exist. The solution is to convince people otherwise.

Consumers as a whole can be relied on to behave according to set patterns. This will not change. This is a proven fact. Credit card companies rely on these facts as do all advertisers. The consumer is the foremost reliable product/asset of the capitalism industry. Fully programmable. Very predictable. Self correcting.

To change one must want to but we are wired to the system and it's shoved in our faces daily. We become complacent. Weak, lulled into acceptance by choice.

We lay down our humanity and become consumers willingly.

Walmart is the future, The consumer will walk in line carrying the products it was programmed to buy and provided with, and the chip under it's skin will be read as it completes the credit transaction becoming the marketing statistic it is.

There is no problem. This is the age of the consumer republic. The public consumers

PC's are functioning just as they are programed to. The majority prevent the anomalies in the program in check. It's a self correcting system. The spell we embrace.

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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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I like Wal-Mart and I like their business concept(s).

I shop at Wal-Mart for low prices and non-union goods (I don't support union terrorism, unions restricting peoples' access to work, unions artificially raising prices, and/or unions finding ways for union members to NOT work and still get paid).

People 'vote' with their dollars when it comes to business, Wal-Mart is getting a LOT of votes. wink

Wal-Mart is doing everything right and customers are flocking to Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart hires a lot of people too.

(Just my opinion... I'm old-fashioned though, I work for a living. wink)

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I believe one H-U-G-E problem facing this nation is that people want jobs but they don't want to work. Obama wants business & industry to provide all kinds of benefits to employees, but if he thinks he can add more and more gov't mandates and still have business & industry increase hiring he's full of beans.

Increased demands upon business & industry = more jobs outside of the USA.

(Simple... not a difficult equation to understand.)

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you should check out walmart after hours...........that's when they bring in the illegals..............personally......i am not a good gambler..........i prefer surprises to more of the same
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Twice_baked_taders
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"I like Wal-Mart and I like their business concept(s)."

Yes their business concepts are quite brilliant.

The "spell" is a good working model.

"Wal-Mart hires a lot of people too."

Yes, as I said it is the future of America.

"(Just my opinion... I'm old-fashioned though, I work for a living. wink)"

Walmart does not pay a living wage, so you don't work there.

Walmart stock pre Christmas season is a sure thing.

PC's are reliable. wink

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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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The 'living wage' concept may actually be the USA's biggest problem.

Families might not be able to afford a car, cell phone, computer, and separate room in the house for every member of the family if there's not enough money.

Who says employers should or must provide someone idea of a 'living wage'? If someone will mow my lawn, and do a good job at it for $15.00, why should I pay them $20.00?

In my opinion if someone doesn't like what they're earning they need to get more education and/or find another job. Do for themselves what they beg others to do for them.

There's a minimum wage here in the USA, not some inflated idea of a 'living wage'.

(Wal-Mart doesn't manufacture PC's, thy sell HP, Compaq, Dell, etc. wink)

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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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In the 1980's if a guy couldn't support his family by raking leaves he got a different job, or worked more.

Now, in the 2000's if the same guy can't support his family by raking leaves he claims it is the fault of the homeowners because they are not providing him with a 'living wage'.

Over the past 20 years did American workers become retarded? wink

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Tax refugees leaving New York in staggering numbers.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/tax_refugees_staging_escape_from_qb4pItQ71UXIc0i6cd3UpK

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Twice_baked_taders
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"The 'living wage' concept may actually be the USA's biggest problem."

Your right there,

However no matter how you cut it walmart will not let you afford a place to live and insurance. Forget a retirement plan. At under $10 and hour you will work till you die and live on the edge till you die.

Tck, though I agree with you 100%, there are no free rides, If the American standard drops, then business will feel the repercussions. My business took a 20% hit this year.

If this would continue I would sell my lake frontage and move on. I generate a fair amount of tax revenue and bring tourists to local businesses. Not enough tourists and local business dies. Our lake frontage is worth plenty. I will survive. However the loss of government revenue will be substantial when taking into account all the revenue generated from my guests.

"Do for themselves what they beg others to do for them."

If the trend continues the only opportunity for some will be begging.

If the world begins purchasing oil with Euros the US dollar will crumble.

There will be no opportunity to move up.

I grow a big garden. Lots of red potatoes, carrots, garlic, onions, dill and other herbs. I shoot deer and make my own sausage and burger. I can catch more fish than I can eat. If things get really tough I am one of the lucky ones.

If I have my health.

(Wal-Mart doesn't manufacture PC's, thy sell HP, Compaq, Dell, etc. wink)

No, they don't have to. They already exist. They just have to install the spell program your topic addresses.

"Now, in the 2000's if the same guy can't support his family by raking leaves he claims it is the fault of the homeowners because they are not providing him with a 'living wage'."

I'm not sure what reality you live in but no one makes a living raking leaves.

An entire lawn care, land scaping and pruning/tree removal service perhaps.

Where I live EVERYONE works multiple jobs or runs their own business unless they are a mechanic, electrician or heating/ air conditoning person, or government employee.

There is no industry within 40 miles of me other than tourism/logging.

While I agree with you that employees can not expect an employer to provide them with a living wage,

There is no way in hell any Amerircan citizen should stand for stock prices dictating the loss of American employment. That is what took the jobs out of this country. That and NAFTA in general. It is a privilege to run a business in this country, not a right.

I know, I run one. And If you run a business in this country you should serve this country. That should be a law.

"One Big Ass Mistake America...what's that spell?"

Your under it.

Take care of our own first. That's all I'm sayin.

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"The real difficulty is with the vast wealth and power in the hands of the few....It is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations."

President Rutherford B Hayes circa 1881

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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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Immediate notice:

President Obama has in his latest Presidential Proclamation declared the term "illegal aliens" will no longer be allowed.

Henceforth they will be referred to as "undocumented Democrats".

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Twice_baked_taders
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"Henceforth they will be referred to as "undocumented Democrats"."

lol

However the hispanic influence is not pro gay marriage, not a democratic demographic in that venue.

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H1N1 Vaccine at Gitmo?

Pentagon says Guantanamo Bay detainees will be receiving the H1N1 vaccine despite White House claim that the vaccine is not 'on the way' to naval base.

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We believe what comes out of the White House, right?

(These people can't even get their lies straight, lol wink )

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Missa
11/3/2009 11:32:04 PM
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All Lies!!!
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Obama can't undo the damage bush has done?

This year's National Brand Index (NBI) -- a global survey ranking countries by how admired they are around the world -- has been released, and the U.S. has taken the top spot.

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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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The NBI's admiration and also.... drum roll... the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE too...!! wink

All is now well, relax, thrive as a nation.

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tck_beachbum (this topic's creator)
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(Heavy sarcasm, obviously ^ wink )

I think the rest of the world looked unfavorably on Bush no doubt, but it appears time and time again NOW that when anyone attempts to build up Obama, or find ANYTHING positive to say about Obama, Bush's name appears.

Is it like Obama casts a ray of sunlight over the ever present shadow of long gone president Bush... but Obama's ray of light cannot extend beyond the shadow of president Bush?

Was Bush so ultimately powerful that nothing Obama will ever do could stand on it's own merit...

... but rather Obama will be eternally compared to the 'benchmarks' president Bush established?

What has Obama done on his own that can be compared to anything except the president Bush administration? Compared to a car accident, a Sunday afternoon drive is a miracle - and Obama is like a Sunday afternoon drive (boring, non-eventful, just keeping the tires on the road).

Obama has been president for nearly a year - yet all we hear is Bush, Bush, Bush, lol. wink

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NBI? wtf is that LMAO...........The Obamites need Bush now more than ever.
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Bushes incentive to save under the IRA was great. That had better not change. It's the only thing that balances the fact that I will most likely never see anything I have paid to social security.

However the large scale outsourcing that has been allowed for the last 10 years has lowered my profit...less people can afford to patronize me. We made more money 10 years ago than we do now. Inflation has continued at 3.5%. So though I have great opportunity to put money in a tax deferred IRA, I now have no money to do so. If significant deflation occurs then my operating cost drops but no one will have a job so they can afford to go on vacation.

Both democrats and republicans endorse the circumstances that put me in my position.

They both suck. Now I sell the valuable waterfront property and jump into their game.

If you can't beat'em , Join'em. Then they can run this country to shit and the rest of the american public that goes along with them can suffer. If I put the money in Euros pryor to the world changing the oil currency standard I would hit the jackpot. The US would fall into a 1930's depression and I would go on vacation.

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I dont like tax deferred anything.... then they really screw you when you take it back out..... Id rather pay the income tax on the money I put away than to have to pay it back later (knowing the tax hungry democrats, they will probably try to charge interest on it).
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